249 NLRB 524
Airco Alloys
524
DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD
Airco Alloys, a Division of Airco, Inc. and Willie R.
Rivers, Jr. Case 3-CA-8742
May 14, 1980
DECISION AND ORDER
BY CHAIRMAN FANNING AND MEMBERS
JENKINS AND TRUESDALE
On November 20,
1979, Administrative Law
Judge Hutton S. Brandon issued the attached Deci-
sion in this proceeding. Thereafter, the General
Counsel filed exceptions and a supporting brief,
and Respondent filed a brief in response to the
General Counsel's exceptions.
Pursuant to the provisions of Section 3(b) of the
National Labor Relations Act, as amended, the Na-
tional Labor Relations Board has delegated its au-
thority in this proceeding to a three-member panel.
The Board has considered the record and the at-
tached Decision in light of the exceptions and
briefs and has decided to affirm the rulings, find-
ings,' and conclusions of the Administrative Law
Judge and to adopt his recommended Order. 2
ORDER
Pursuant to Section 10(c) of the National Labor
Relations Act, as amended, the National Labor Re-
lations Board adopts as its Order the recommended
Order of the Administrative
Law Judge and
hereby orders that the complaint be, and it hereby
is, dismissed in its entirety.
CHAIRMAN FANNING, concurring in part:
For reasons stated in my dissenting opinion in
Baton Rouge Water Works Company,3
I disagree
with the Administrative Law Judge's finding,
adopted by my colleagues, that the October 13,
1978, meeting between Respondent and Willie
Rivers does not fall into the class of "discussion"
or "interview" to which the right of union repre-
sentation would attach under Weingarten because
Respondent had made its termination decision
I The General Counsel has excepted to certain credibility findings
made by the Administrative Law Judge. It is the Board's established
policy not to overrule an administrative law judge's resolutions with re-
spect to credibility unless the clear preponderance of all of the relevant
evidence convinces us that the resolutions are incorrect Standard Dry
Wall Products., Inc., 91 NLRB 544 (1950), enfd. 188 F.2d 362 (3d Cir.
1951) We have carefully examined the record and find no basis for re-
versing his findings.
2 Subsequent to the issuance of the Administrative Law Judge's Deci-
sion in this case, the Board issued Baton Rouge Water Works Company,
246 NLRB No. 161 (1979), wherein it held that "an employee has no
Section 7 right to the presence of his union representative at a meeting
with his employer held solely for the purpose of informing the employee
of, and acting upon, a previously made disciplinary decision." 246 NLRB
No. 161. Inasmuch as the facts and the Administrative Law Judge's con-
clusion herein fall within the purview of Baton Rouge, we agree that the
circumstances do not present a violation under NVL.R.B, v. J. Weingarten,
Inc., 420 U.S. 251 (1975).
3 246 NLRB No. 161 (1979).
249 NLRB No. 81
before the meeting. In order to trigger Weingarten
rights, however, it is necessary that the employee
seeking the assistance of a union representative spe-
cifically request such representation.4
Here, it is
evident that Rivers failed to make personally a re-
quest for union representation at the October 13
meeting. 5 For reason, I agree that an 8(a)(l) viola-
tion has not been established and I shall concur in
the result.
4 See, e.g., Kohls Food Company., 249 NLRB No. 13 (1980); First Na-
tional Supermarkets. Inc. d/b/a Pick-N-Pay Supermarkets. Inc., 247 NLRB
No. 162 (1980).
5 There is some suggestion that, under these circumstances, any request
for representation by Rivers would have been futile. Whatever bearing
this "futility" rationale may have on an employee's entitlement to Wein-
garten rights, this question need not be decided here because, in my judg-
ment, the record does not conclusively show that a request by Rivers for
union representation would, in fact, have been futile
DECISION
STATEMENT OF THE CASE
HUTTON S. BRANDON,
Administrative Law Judge:
This case was heard at Buffalo, New York, on August
16, 1979. The charge was filed by Willie R. Rivers, Jr.,
an individual, herein called Rivers or the Charging
Party, on October 17, 1978.1 The complaint was issued
on April 10, 1979, and alleges violations of Section
8(a)(1) of the National Labor Relations Act, herein
called the Act, by Airco Alloys, A Division of Airco,
Inc., herein called the Respondent or the Company. The
issue presented by the case is whether the Respondent in
meeting with, and discharging, Rivers on October 13,
violated his right to union representation under Section 7
of the Act as outlined in N.L.R.B. v. J. Weingarten, Inc.,
420 U.S. 251 (1975).
Upon the entire record, including my observation of
the demeanor of the witnesses, and after due considera-
tion of the briefs filed by the General Counsel and the
Respondent, I make the following:
FINDINGS OF FACT
I. JURISDICTION
The Respondent, a Delaware corporation, is engaged
in the manufacture, sale, and distribution of alloys and
metal products with its principal office and place of busi-
ness in Niagra Falls, New York. The Respondent, at its
Niagra Falls facility, annually sells and distributes its
products valued in excess of $50,000 directly to custom-
ers located outside the State of New York. The Re-
spondent admits, and I find, that it is an employer en-
gaged in commerce within the meaning of Section 2(6)
and (7) of the Act.
11. THE LABOR ORGANIZATION INVOLVED
The complaint alleges, the Respondent admits, and I
find, that United Steelworkers of America, Local 12646,
i All dates are in 1978 unless otherwise stated.
AIRCO ALLOYS, A DIVISION OF AIRCO, INC.
525
AFL-CIO, CLC. herein called the Union, is a labor or-
ganization within the meaning of Section 2(5) of the Act.
III. THE ALLEGED UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE
A. The Material Facts and Positions of the Parties
The Union has represented the Respondent's produc-
tion and maintenance employees for a number of years,
and has entered into successive collective-bargaining
agreements with the Respondent covering such employ-
ees. The latest such agreement was executed and became
effective on May 2, 1978, and remains in effect until
April 30, 1981. The agreement contains a union-security
provision which requires, as a condition of employment,
that employees hired after the effective date become
members of the Union on the 30th day following the be-
ginning of their employment. 2
However, notwithstand-
ing the requirement of union membership after 30 days,
the agreement provides that seniority does not com-
mence to accumulate for new employees until the em-
ployee has successfully completed a probationary period
of 60 working days. During the probationary period, ac-
cording to the agreement, the probationary employee is
subject to transfer, demotion, layoff, or discharge at the
sole discretion of the Company. 3
While the agreement
contains a provision for the processing and resolution of
grievances regarding discharges there was no evidence
that the Union had ever sought to process any griev-
ances regarding the transfer, demotion, layoff, or dis-
charge of any probationary employees.
Willie R. Rivers, Jr., was employed by the Respondent
on August 7, and worked as a maintenance mechanic.
Pursuant to the union-security provision in the collec-
tive-bargaining agreement he joined the Union and paid
certain initiation fees to the Union's president, Mike
Stopa, during the first part of October. Rivers testified
that he was told by Stopa that in the event he did not
successfully complete his probationary period his money
would be refunded by the Union.
Rivers' employment was not without problems, 4
and
he was told during the first week of October by one of
his foreman, S. J. Obidzinski, who was going on vaca-
tion, that he wanted Rivers to really apply himself in his
work the following week because another foreman, Wil-
liams Banks, would be supervising Rivers and Rivers
should "watch out" for Banks.
On October 13, Rivers was called to the personnel
office where he met with James Cheetham, personnel
and safety manager for the Respondent, foreman Banks,
and another of Rivers' foremen, Chester Cooper. 5 In the
ensuing interview with Rivers which lasted about
15
minutes according to Rivers' estimate Cheetham dis-
cussed Rivers' job performance with him and advised
him that he was discharged. Rivers concedes in his testi-
2 G.C Exh. 2, art. 1, sec. 4.
3 G.C Exh 2, art Ill, sec. 2.
4 Progress reports for Rivers by two foremen, S. J. Obidzinski and Gil-
bert Jackson, for the weeks ending Octobert I and 8, 1978, were received
in evidence and establish Respondent's dissatisfaction
ith Rivers' job
performance
5 Cheetham in his testimony refers to a maintenance superintendent
named Krupa It is not clear from the record whether Krupa and Cooper
are one and the same
mony that while he attempted to defend and explain his
job performance, he was not asked any questions by
Cheetham or the foremen present. Rivers further conced-
ed that at no time did he request union representation
during the interview. Upon completion of the interview
he was ushered from the plant and subsequently paid off
by mail a few days later.
It is the General Counsel's contention that the Re-
spondent violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act by depriving
Rivers of his right to union representation during the Oc-
tober 13 interview under the principles enunciated in the
Weingarten case, supra. In support of this position the
General Counsel argues; that the interview with Rivers
was not simply to announce a fait accompli, but to dis-
cuss Rivers' work performance. Rivers had even at-
tempted to negotiate a transfer to another department as
an alternative to discharge. Moreover, while the General
Counsel concedes that Rivers did not request union rep-
resentation during the interview it is argued that such re-
quest would have been futile based on the Respondent's
present assertions of contract rights and also because of
events which occurred during the meeting which effec-
tively deprived Rivers of union representation. In this
regard the General Counsel refers to the uncontradicted
testimony of Gaddis Rivers, an uncle of Rivers and also
an employee of the Respondent. Gaddis Rivers testified
that upon reporting to work on October 13, he learned
from another employee that Rivers was "being let go,"
and he thereafter proceeded to the personnel office
where
Rivers was
meeting with
Cheetham.
There
Gaddis Rivers, who was a union committeeman and ste-
ward, although he was not the steward for Willie Rivers'
department, asked Cheetman if he could "sit in," and
Cheetman told him that he could not.6 He thereafter re-
mained outside the office while the meeting with Willie
Rivers continued in the office.
It was also the testimony of Willie Rivers that during
the discussions in the office with Cheetham and the fore-
men another individual whom Rivers did not know at
the time attempted to enter the meeting. The man was
told that nobody was allowed to come in. Cheetham
denied that anyone aside from Gaddis Rivers had sought
to enter the office during the interview with Willie
Rivers. That testimony was contradicted by an earlier
sworn statement given the Board in early November
during the investigation of the case in which he indicated
Norman Siegfried, Rivers' steward, had stuck his head
through the door and Cheetham had simply told Sieg-
fried that he was not needed for that "particular prob-
lem," and Siegfried left. Cheetham impressed me as a
generally truthful but confused witness. The contradic-
tion by his prior statement adversely affects the reliabil-
ity of his denial that Siegfried attempted to enter the dis-
cussions with
Rivers. Accordingly,
and
because
of
Rivers' credible testimony that another individual aside
from Gaddis Rivers did attempt to come in, I find that it
was Siegfried who attempted to enter.
The Respondent denied that it had unlawfully denied
any union representation rights to Rivers during the Oc-
' Cheetham called as an adverse witness b the General Counsel testi-
fied he told Gaddis Rivers that Willie Rivers was not entitled to repre
sentation because he was still on probation
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DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD
tober 13 meeting, and argues that the established facts of
the case do not bring it within the purview of Weingar-
ten. More specifically, the Respondent contends that the
meeting with Rivers was not investigative in nature and
was called simply to announce to Rivers a predetermined
decision to discharge him. In support of this contention
Cheetham testified that on the morning of October 13,
he discussed Rivers' job performance with Foremen
Banks and Jackson and Maintenance Superintendent
Krupa and it was determined that Rivers would be dis-
charged for "unsatisfactory probationary period." It was
only after that discussion that Rivers was called in, his
job performance was discussed, and his termination an-
nounced. 7
In the Respondent's view, the meeting with Rivers
was a simple courtesy extended to him in order to ex-
plain the reasons for his discharge. The Respondent
argues that it would be an "incredible distortion" of the
Act to hold that the extension of such a courtesy to
Rivers constituted a violation of the Act.
The Respondent also argues that the Union in agreeing
to the contractual provision granting to the Company
sole discretion in discharging probationary employees
waived any Weingarten rights for probationary employ-
ees. In support of this contention the Respondent pointed
out that it had had a similar provision in its collective-
bargaining agreements for many years and the Union,
consistent with the provision, had never filed a grievance
or attempted to participate in any meeting regarding the
termination of probationary employees. 8
B. Conclusion
Approaching the Respondent's last argument first, I
am not persuaded that the Union by agreeing that proba-
tionary employees could be discharged at the sole discre-
tion of the Respondent thereby waived the Weingarten
rights of such employees. A waiver will not be lightly
inferred and must be shown by clear and unequivocal
evidence. Gary Hobart Water Corporation v. N.L.R.B.,
511 F.2d 284 (7th Cir. 1975). The clear language to
which the Union agreed in the instant case simply pro-
vides that probationary employees shall be subject to
transfer, demotion, layoff, or discharge at the sole discre-
tion of the employer. Under past practice, and in keeping
with this provision, the Union filed no grievance with re-
spect to the Respondent's transfer, demotion, layoff, or
7 In the absence of any contradictory evidence, and in view of prior
performance evaluations on Rivers which were received in evidence
showing problems with Rivers prior to October 13 I credit Cheetham's
tcstimony that the decision to discharge Rivers had been made prior to
the time he was called in That the meeting was not called 1o ascertain
any nle\ facts regarding Rivers' performance and bearing on the the dis-
charge decision is shown by Rivers' own testimony, which I credit, that
Cheetham told him at the outset of the meeting that he was discharged
Moreover, Rivers also admitted that he was not asked a single question
by aln'one at the meeting While Cheethan's testimony contradicted
Rivers' as Io the pint i
time in the meeting that the discharge was an-
noulced and
hether any questions were asked. Rivers appeared to be
iore posliie aIld ephatic i his testimony and I beliree, more reliable
E Iidece supporting this contelltion is found in the testimony of Wil.
hanm I rich, the Respoldcnt's frmer director of industrial relalions
Such testimlony aas not conlltradicted and is credited
discharge of probationary employees. 9 But neither the
clear language of the contractual provision nor the prac-
tice under it in anyway suggests a waiver of all rights of
probationary employees whether such rights be statutori-
ly founded or arise solely from the collective-bargaining
agreement. The Board has long held that probationary
employees are entitled to the same protections and rights
under the Act as other employees. Potlatch Corporation,
236 NLRB 707 (1978); Lafferty Trucking Co., 214 NLRB
582 (1974). Even the Respondent does not contend that
by agreeing to the cited provision the Union waived all
contractual or representation rights for probationary em-
ployees, for Cheetham conceded in his testimony that
Rivers upon hiring was told, in effect, that he would
have all contractual rights and union representation
except for discharges within the probationary period.
Moreover, and in any event, Weingarten rights are not
inconsistent with the granting of sole discretion to the
employer to decide on certain discipline.
Weingarten
rights attach prior to a decision on discipline.
If the Union waived anything through the agreement
or by practice it was its right to protest though the
grievance machinery the Respondent's determinations re-
garding transfers, demotions, layoffs, or discharges of
probationary employees.'° This falls far short of consti-
tuting a waiver of any Weingarten rights of probationary
employees. Such rights involve representation of em-
ployees at interviews with management where the em-
ployee reasonably expects that any kind of discipline
might follow, not just discipline involving transfers, de-
motions, layoffs, or discharges. Further, even where the
discipline finally imposed as a result of such interviews
involves a transfer, demotion, layoff, or discharge, the
fact that the Union may be powerless to alter or reverse
the discipline does not obviate its representative function,
where requested, in attempting to insure that manage-
ment's decision on the discipline is fairly reached with all
pertinent facts considered.
Finally, Weingarten principles are based in part upon
the recognition that a union in representing employees at
meetings with management where discipline may be ex-
pected to result is safeguarding not only the involved
employees' interests but also the interests of the entire
bargaining unit when it exercises vigilence through such
representation "to make certain that an employer does
not initiate or continue a practice of imposing punish-
ment unjustly." Weingarten, supra at 260, 261. Therefore,
even assuming that the Union here had granted to the
employer sole discretion with respect to the discharge of
probationary employees, it may nevertheless serve the in-
terests of other bargaining unit employees by attending,
where requested, investigatory interviews between the
Respondent and probationary employees which result in
transfers, demotions, layoffs, or discharges. Accordingly,
and on this record, I find and conclude that the Union
' The fact as related by Lynch, that the Union had not previously
sought to attend meetings between the Respondent and probationary em-
ployees, is meaningless in the absence of any showing that probationary
employees had requested representation at such meetings or that Weingar-
ten principles were applicable to such meetings
" But esven this is unclear from the agreement itself because the griev-
aice machiley does not specifically exclude grievances of probationary
employees for any reason
AIRCO ALLOYS, A DIVISION OF AIRCO, INC.
527
did not either expressly or inferentially waive Weingarten
rights of probationary employees.
There remains for consideration the issue of whether
Weingarten principles may be appropriately applied to
the Respondent's meeting with Rivers on October 13.
The Board has applied Weingarten to any meetings with
employees by employers where some discussion is had
with the employee regarding the basis for discipline and
discipline actually follows the discussion. See Certified
Grocers of California, Ltd., 227 NLRB 1211 (1977), en-
forcement denied 587 F.2d 449 (9th Cir. 1978); Alfred M.
Lewis, Inc., 229 NLRB 757 (1977), enforcement denied in
pertinent part 587 F.2d 403 (9th Cir. 1978); Mt. Vernon
Tanker Company, 218 NLRB 1423 (1975), enforcement
denied 549 F.2d 571 (9th Cir. 1977); Columbia University,
217 NLRB 1080 (1975), enforcement denied 541 F.2d
922 (2d Cir. 1976). On the other hand, the Board has
held that if the meeting with the employee is simply to
announce a decision previously reached by management
on discipline or if the meeting terminates upon the em-
ployee's request for representation the employer does not
violate the Act in denying the employee representation.
See K-Mart Corporation, 242 NLRB No. 140 (1979);
Amoco Oil Company, 238 NLRB 551 (1978); United States
Gypsum Company, 200 NLRB 305 (1972).
I am persuaded in view of Obidzinski's warning to
Rivers the week prior to October 13, that Rivers did
have a reasonable expectation that the meeting of Octo-
ber 13, could result in some action detrimental to him. I
am not convinced, however, that the meeting fell into
the class of "discussion" or "interview" to which the
right of union representation would attach under Wein-
garten even as interpreted by the Board in Certified Gro-
cers, supra. In Certified Grocers the employer, having per-
viously decided upon disciplinary action, called the em-
ployee in and after denying the employee's valid request
for union representation, discussed the employee's work
record, commented negatively thereon, and announced
the discipline imposed, a 2-week disciplinary layoff. A
second request for representation was denied by the em-
ployer and further conversation followed prior to the
conclusion of the meeting and the signing of the layoff
notice by the employer. In the instant case, however, the
Respondent had arrived at its decision on termination
prior to the meeting as shown by Rivers testimony that
the first thing said to him as he walked in was that he
was being terminated. It is true that here, as in Certified
Grocers, there was additional "discussion" or "conversa-
tion" regarding Rivers' work performance and Rivers
without doubt attempted to defend, explain, or justify his
performance, and even asked for a transfer as an alterna-
tive to discharge. However, his "discussion" and "con-
versation" appears to have been completely voluntary
because, as he testified, he was not asked any questions
about his work. It is difficult to perceive how Rivers'
voluntary remarks and discussion could have unilaterally
changed the complexion of the meeting from one called
to announce and explain a discharge into one which may
be regarded as investigatory or having a factfinding pur-
pose to which Weingarten principles would clearly apply.
The fact that the Respondent extended to Rivers' the
courtesy of listening to him does not establish that it
sought or elicited his remarks. In my opinion, a Weingar-
ten violation, even under Certified Grocers, must turn on
whether the employer in some manner seeks information
from the employee after the request for representation is
denied and not whether the employee supplies informa-
tion. Under these circumstances, and while there was
some discussion or dialogue in the meeting, I do not be-
lieve there was an "interchange" amounting to the type
of "interview" involved or contemplated in Certified
Grovers. As pointed out by the Respondent's brief the
word "interview" is defined as a meeting or consultation
for evaluation purposes or for obtaining information. The
record here does not establish that the Respondent called
the meeting with Rivers on October 13 for either of
these purposes.
In addition, in my opinion, the conclusion of the
Board in K-Mart, supra, is instructive, as to the absence
of a violation here. There the employer had reached a
decision on discharge prior to meeting with the affected
employee. When the employee was called in he made a
valid request for representation which was denied. The
employee nevertheless was asked if he had anything else
to say and he declined on the basis that it appeared the
employer had already made up its mind. The employer
agreed and announced the termination. The Board found
the employer had not gone beyond informing the em-
ployee of disciplinary measures decided upon prior to
the meeting and had not engaged in any other type of
interchange which could be characterized as an "inter-
view." To the same effect see Texaco, Inc., 242 NLRB
No. 60 (1979). If the question to the employee there as to
whether he had anything further to say regarding the
discipline after representation had been denied him did
not establish a Weingarten violation it must follow that
an employee's unsolicited remarks also cannot be regard-
ed as an interchange or "interview" to which Weingarten
would be applicable. Representation would have been no
less useful to the employee in the K-Mart case in assist-
ing him in saying whatever else he might want to say
than it would have been to Rivers in making his unsoli-
cited remarks in the instant case.
In any event, I believe that the instant case may be
distinguished from Certified Grocers, for here Rivers' dis-
charge was announced to him as he walked in the office.
Regardless of whether the administrative paperwork had
been completed or even initiated at that point Rivers
ceased to be an employee as of the time of the announce-
ment. The finality of that decision was underscored by
the Respondent's "sole discretion" in making it. There-
fore, he had no further Weingarten rights even though
there was further "discussion" regarding the discharge.
In Certified Grocers the discipline imposed was less than
discharge and the employee status of the affected indi-
vidual was never lost.
Considering the foregoing and even assuming a valid
request by Rivers for representation at the October 13
meeting.'' I find and conclude that the Respondent did
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not violate Section 8(a)(1) of the Act in denying union
representation to Rivers as alleged in the complaint.
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
1. The Respondent is an employer engaged in com-
merce within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the
Act.
2. The Union is a labor organization within the mean-
ing of Section 2(5) of the Act.
3. The Respondent did not violate Section 8(a)(l) of
the Act by denying union representation to Willie R.
Party that the Charging Party was not entitled to representation made
any request by him for representation futile.
Rivers, Jr., at the meeting with him on October 13, 1978,
as alleged in the complaint.
Upon the basis of the foregoing findings of fact, con-
clusions of law, and the entire record and pursuant to
Section 10(c) of the Act, I hereby issue the following
recommended:
ORDER 1 2
The complaint is hereby dismissed in its entirety.
12 In the event no exceptions are filed as provided by Sec. 102.46 of
the Rules and Regulations of the National Labor Relations Board, the
findings, conclusions, and recommended Order herein shall, as provided
in Sec. 102.48 of the Rules and Regulations, be adopted by the Board and
become its findings, conclusions, and Order, and all objections thereto
shall be deemed waived for all purposes.