132 NLRB 702
A. E. Schultz Fuel Co., Inc.
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What we have before us is a situation in which the Union has
sought for a period of some 3 years to regain both recognition and a
contract.
Further, shortly after it learned on May 25, 1960, that other
unions in the Central Labor Council were "amazed" it had no con-
tract with Miratti, the Union sought on June 14, recognition on the
basis of a card cross-check,4 even though it had abandoned as unsuc-
cessful an organizing drive in May among Miratti's employees. Con-
sequently, it seems evident to us that the picketing beginning August 8
announcing on the signs that Miratti had no union contract was
clearly a continuation of the Union's persistent efforts over several
years to gain a contract and reestablish itself as the employee's rep-
resentative.
Under these circumstances, it is wholly unrealistic to
accept the Union's self-serving statement of July 25, 1960, disclaim-
ing any recognitional objective as overriding the clear intent of its
actions as finally given expression in its picketing.-'
Accordingly, we
would find that the Union's picketing is for a contract and, thus,
tantamount-to a present demand for recognition a It is, therefore,
inconsistent, in our view, with the disclaimer and we would, in con-
sequence, direct an election.
' Warren testified he mentioned a card cross-check solely to get the Employer's reaction
to the idea, a disclaimer of recognitional intent we find unbelievable.
"See Normandin Bros. Company, 131 NLRB 1225.
6 See, for example, Witwer Grocer Company, 111 NLRB 936.
A. E. Schultz Fuel Co., Inc., and Midwest Bulk, Inc. and General
Drivers and Dairy Employees Local Union 563, International
Brotherhood of Teamsters,
Chauffeurs,
Warehousemen &
Helpers of America.
Case No. 13-CA-3655.
August 4, 1961
DECISION AND ORDER
On February 17, 1961, Trial Examiner Eugene E. Dixon issued
his Intermediate Report in the above-entitled proceeding, finding that
the Respondents had engaged in and were engaging in certain unfair
labor practices and recommending that they cease and desist therefrom
and take certain affirmative action, as set forth in the Intermediate
Report attached hereto.
He also found that the Respondents had
not engaged in certain other alleged unfair labor practices.
There-
after, the Respondents and the General Counsel filed exceptions to the
Intermediate Report, and the General Counsel filed a supporting brief.
Pursuant to the provisions of Section 3(b) of the National Labor
Relations Act, the Board has delegated its powers in connection with
this case to a three-member panel [Chairman McCulloch and Members
Rodgers and Fanning].
132 NLRB No. 53.
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The Board has reviewed the rulings of the Tral Examiner made at
the hearing and finds that no prejudicial error was committed.
The
rulings are hereby affirmed.
The Board has considered the Inter-
mediate Report, the exceptions and the brief, and the entire record
in the case, and hereby adopts the Trial Examiner's findings, con-
clusions, and recommendations.'
ORDER
Upon the entire record in this case, and pursuant to Section 10(c)
of the National Labor Relations Act, as amended, the National Labor
Relations Board hereby orders that the Respondents, A. E. Schultz
Fuel Co., Inc., and Midwest Bulk, Inc., their officers, agents, successors,
and assigns, shall:
1. Cease and desist from :
(a) Discouraging membership in General Drivers and Dairy Em-
ployees Local Union 563, International Brotherhood of Teamsters,
Chauffeurs, Warehousemen & Helpers of America, or in any other
labor organization of its employees, by discharging, refusing to rein-
state, or in any other manner discriminating in regard to their hire or
tenure of employment or any term or condition of employment.
(b) Threatening its employees with any action that would result
in loss of employment or with other reprisals to discourage member-
ship in or activity on behalf of any labor organization.
-
(c) Promising its employees any benefit for the same purpose.
(d) Interrogating or polling its employees in an unlawful manner
regarding their knowledge or interest in any labor organization.
(e) In any other manner interfering with, restraining, or coercing
employees in the exercise of the right to self-organization, to form
labor organizations, to join or assist the above-named or any other
labor organization, to bargain collectively through representatives
of their own choosing, and to engage in any other concerted activities
for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or pro-
tection, or to refrain from any or all such activities, except to the ex-
tent that such right may be affected by an agreement requiring
membership in a labor organization as a condition of employment,
as authorized in Section 8(a) (3) of the Act, as modified by the Labor-
Management Reporting and Disclosure Act of 1959.
2. Take the following affirmative action which the Board finds will
effectuate the policies of the Act :
(a) Offer to Herman Knoll immediate and full reinstatement to
1 In their exceptions , the Respondents allege that after the issuance of the Intermediate
Report they offered reinstatement and a certain amount of backpay to the discriminatee,
Knoll , and that Knoll declined reinstatement but accepted the backpay offer
We find that
such matters should more properly be left for determination at the compliance stage. See
Coca-Cola Bottling Company of Lou,sveile, Inc, 108 NLRB 490 (footnote 23).
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his former or substantially equivalent position, and make him whole
for any loss of earnings suffered, in the manner set forth in the section
of the Intermediate Report entitled "The Remedy." 2
(b) Preserve and, upon request, make available to the Board or its
agents, for examination and copying, all payroll records, social se-
curity payment records, timecards, personnel records and reports, and
all other records necessary to or convenient for a computation of the
amount of backpay due under the terms of this Order.
(c) Post at their plant in Neenah, Wisconsin, copies of the notice
attached hereto marked "Appendix." I
Copies of said notice, to be
furnished by the Regional Director for the Thirteenth Region, shall,
after being duly signed by each of the Respondents, be posted by them
immediately upon receipt thereof, and be maintained by them for 60
consecutive days thereafter, in conspicuous places, including all places
where notices to employees are customarily posted.
Reasonable steps
shall be taken by Respondents to insure that such notices are not al-
tered, defaced, or covered by any other material.
(d) Notify the Regional Director for the Thirteenth Region, in
writing, within 10 days from the date of this Order, what steps the
Respondents have taken to comply herewith.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the refusal-to-bargain allegation of the
complaint be dismissed.
2 The Trial Examiner inadvertently failed to state that backpay would run from the
date of Knoll's discharge to the date of the offer of reinstatement .
This inadvertence is
hereby corrected
3In the event that this Order is enforced by a decree of a United States Court of
Appeals, there shall be substituted for the words "Pursuant to a Decision and Order" the
words "Pursuant to a Decree of the United States Court of Appeals, Enforcing an Order."
APPENDIX
NOTICE TO ALL EMPLOYEES
Pursuant to a Decision and Order of the National Labor Relations
Board, and in order to effectuate the policies of the National Labor
Relations Act, we hereby notify our employees that :
WE WILL NOT discourage membership in General Drivers and
Dairy Employees Local Union 563, International Brotherhood
of Teamsters, Chauffeurs, Warehousemen & Helpers of America,
or any other labor organization, by discharging any of our em-
ployees because of their concerted or union activities, or in any
other manner discriminating in regard to their hire or tenure of
employment or any term or condition of employment.
WE WILL NOT threaten our employees with any action that would
result in loss of employment or promise them any benefit for the
purpose of discouraging membership in or activity on behalf of
any labor organization.
A. E. SCHULTZ FUEL CO., INC. & MIDWEST BULK, INC.
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WE WILL NOT interrogate or poll our employees illegally regard-
ing their knowledge or interest in any labor organization.
WE WILL NOT in any other manner interfere with, restrain, or
coerce our employees in the exercise of their right to self-organiza-
tion, to form, join, or assist the above-named labor organization,
or any other labor organization, to bargain collectively through
representatives of their own choosing, to engage in concerted ac-
tivities for the purposes of collective bargaining, or other mutual
aid or protection, or to refrain from any or all of such activities,
except to the extent that such rights may be affected by an agree-
ment requiring membership in a labor organization as a condition
of employment, as authorized in Section 8(a) (3) of the Act, as
modified by the Labor-Management Reporting and Disclosure
Act of 1959.
WE WILL offer Herman Knoll immediate and full reinstatement
to his former or substantially equivalent position, without preju-
dice to his seniority or other rights and privileges previously en-
joyed, and we will make him whole for any loss of pay suffered as
a result of the discrimination against him.
All our employees are free to become or remain members of the
above-named Union, or any other labor organization, except to the
extent that this right may be affected by an agreement in conformity
with Section 8(a) (3) of the amended Act.
We will not discriminate
in regard to hire or tenure of employment or any term or condition of
employment against any employee because of membership in or activ-
ity on behalf of any such labor organization.
A. E.
SCHULTZ FUEL Co., INC.,
MIDWEST BULK, INC.,
Employer.
Dated----------------
By-------------------------------------
(Representative )
(Title)
This notice must remain posted for 60 days from the date hereof,
and must not be altered, defaced, or covered by any other material.
INTERMEDIATE REPORT
STATEMENT OF THE CASE
This proceeding, brought under Section 10(b) of the National Labor Relations
Act, as amended (61 Stat. 136), herein called the Act, was heard at Appleton,
Wisconsin, on July 6 and 7, 1960, pursuant to due notice and with all parties being
represented by counsel .
The complaint, issued by the General Counsel for the
National Labor Relations Board, herein called the General Counsel and the Board,
on June 10, 1960, and based on charges duly filed and served, alleged that Respond-
ents have engaged in unfair labor practices in violation of Section 8(a)(1), (3),
and (5 ) of the Act.
In its duly filed answer Respondents denied the commission of any unfair labor
practices.
'
After the close of 'the hearing the General ' Counsel moved to amend the record
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in certain specific respects .
No objection having been received from Respondents,
the General Counsel's motion is herein granted.
Upon the entire record in the case, and from my observation of the witnesses, I
make the following:
FINDINGS OF FACT
1. RESPONDENTS' BUSINESS
Respondent Schultz and Respondent Midwest are, and have been at all times
material herein, corporate entities duly organized under, and existing by virtue of,
the laws of the State of Wisconsin, and have been and are engaged in the business of
the wholesale and retail sales, distribution, and transport of coal and fuel oil with
principal offices and place of business at Neenah, Wisconsin.
There is no question
and I find that both Respondents are operated as a single integrated enterprise. In
the course and conduct of their business operations during the calender year 1955
Respondents purchased, transferred, and received, all within the State of Wisconsin,
coal and fuel oil and other goods and materials values in excess of $100,000, which
goods and materials originated from States other than the State of Wisconsin.
During the same period of time Respondents sold and distributed products within the
State of Wisconsin, the gross value of which exceeded $800,000, of which goods in
excess of $100,000 in value were sold to firms each of which in turn during the same
period sold and shipped goods valued in excess of $50,000 outside the State of Wis-
consin.
I find that Respondents are engaged in and have been at, all times material
herein engaged in commerce within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act.'
II. THE LABOR ORGANIZATION
General Drivers and Dairy Employees Local Union 563, International Brotherhood
of Teamsters, Chauffeurs, Warehousemen & Helpers of America, is and has, at all
times material herein, been a labor organization within the meaning of Section 2(5)
of the Act.
III. THE UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES
This is a typical Board case.
Within a few weeks after the start of a campaign to
organize Respondent's employees (a majority of whom signed union authorization
cards, upon which basis an R petition was filed with the Board and a request for
recognition and bargaining was made by the Union to Respondent) the leader of
the union movement among the employees was discharged.
Two days before the
discharge, a meeting of the employees took place attended by representatives of man-
agement at which a vote was taken by the employees not to have a union. This
in broad outline, together with specific threats and other incidents of interference,
restraint, and coercion described in the General Counsel's evidence as having taken
place on the part of Respondent against its employees, constitutes the General
Counsel's case.
The Respondent's evidence, besides specifically denying for the most
part any and all acts of unfair labor practices attributed to it by the General Coun-
sel's evidence, attempts to establish by its evidence that the discharge of its employee
Herman Knoll on April 7, 1960, was due to slack work and for the reason that he
refused to accept a transfer from daywork to nightwork as he allegedly was requested
to do by Respondent.
Interference, Restraint, and Coercion
Three people play a part in the General Counsel's evidence regarding his allega-
tions of Section 8(a)'(1) violations of the Act by Respondent.
These people are
Clifton Schultz, president and proprietor of Respondent, Spencer Laurin, second in
authority over Respondent's operations and in full command thereof in Schultz'
absence, and Richard Natrop, general sales manager for Respondent. In its answer
Respondent admits Schultz' supervisory status but "neither admits nor denies" the
supervisory status of Laurin and Natrop and puts the General Counsel to his proof.
The evidence in my opinion is sufficient to show both the latter to be supervisors or
agents of Respondent within the meaning of the Act, thus imputing to the Respondent
the consequences of any of its unlawful conduct.2
1 For convenience , I shall hereafter refer to Respondents in the singular
2 Laurin's supervisory status is obvious. In addition to the fact that Natrop apparently
could effectively recommend hiring and broke in new employees, the part he played (as will
appear below) as management's spokesman in a meeting of the employees, in the presence
of and with the tacit approval of Laurin, clearly aligns him with management. See
Harrison Sheet Steel Co, 94 NLRB 81, enfd. 194 F. 2d 407 (C.A. 7) ; Grand Central
Aircraft Co, Inc., 106 NLRB 358.
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In this connection the following is shown by the General Counsel's evidence:
(1) Martin Rochon testified as to remarks made by Schultz in the garage on or about
April 1 to Elmer Hansen in Rochon's presence to the effect that if Hansen "wanted
the union, if he wanted to bring the union in, that he could go ahead and bring it in,"
but that Respondent would cut the hours of work to less than 40.
At that time
both Hansen and Rochon were working in excess of 40 hours per week. (2) Rochon
further testified that on the following day in the garage, Schultz told Martin and
two other employees, Clark and Gore, "that if he ever found out who had started
the union, tobring the union in, that he would dispose of him or fire him." This
comment apparently was made after Clark had told Schultz "that a couple of union
guys were at his house the evening before." (3) Rochon further testified that on
April 27, while he was working on one of the trucks, Schultz asked Gore, who had
put some matches advertising the Union in the trucks; "he said he would like to
find out who put them matches in, or who was trying to get that union in."
(4) Robert Babcock testified that on or about April 1 Schultz called him into the
office and told him that "he had been talking to other employees of the firm and it
led to the point where they all pointed their fingers at (Babcock) for starting the .
union."
Babcock denied being the instigator of the campaign and Schultz said that
"he didn't like the idea of a union, he was against it and wouldn't hear of it around
there."
Schultz further said that "he had in mind putting on leased trucks and pull-
ing his trailers" which he advanced as a good way to avoid having to "put up with
the union." Schultz further said that the union scale was "out of proportion" and
impossible to pay. (5) Babcock also testified about a conversation with Natrop
later on the same day.
Natrop asked him "about the union."
Natrop further men-
tioned that "it wouldn't be hard to find a reason to fire anybody and if (they) got the
union in there, they would find a reason and eventually get rid of us." (6) Babcock
also testified that on the morning of April 27 he was in the office talking to Laurin
and asked him for a match. Schultz spoke up and said, "Give him back the rest
of the matches that he put in the truck." (7) Later on in the same day, according
to Babcock's further testimony, when he was again in the office, Laurin asked him
if he had "signed one of those goofy cards." Babcock said he had not. (8) Herman
Knoll testified that in the office on April 1 in the presence of Suzy, the office secretary,
Laurin asked him what he knew about the Union.
When he told Laurin he knew
nothing about it, the latter said "that the union was-this thing was getting out of
hand and the boss was getting mad about it. If he ever found out the person or
persons that started it, out the door he would go."
As to (1) above, Schultz testified that he told Hansen in Rochon's presence "that
if the union got in I would have no other alternative than to cut it to 40 due to the
fact that the coal business was declining as it has been"
As to (2) above, while
admitting that he may have had a conversation with Clark and Gore on April 2,
he denied that he said that if he found out who started the Union he would fire
them.
When asked if he had had any conversation about union activity on that
particular day, his answer was, "I don't recall, Mr. Gill."
When he was asked
if he had made any inquiries about union activity, his answer was, "I doubt it very
much, Mr. Gill, and I don't remember anything about it because I am in the garage
and out of the garage continuously all throughout the day and there are so many
things said you can't remember everything."
There was no denial by Schultz of item (3) above.
As for item (4) above,
Schultz admitted in his testimony that he called Babcock into the office and "asked
him what his feelings were about the union."
He denied, however, accusing Babcock
of having instigated the union campaign.
Although he denied threatening or co-
ercing Babcock or promising him anything in this conversation, he did not deny
the comments attributed to him about leasing trucks.
Moreover, notwithstanding his
previous testimony that he had asked Babcock his feelings about the Union, he
shortly thereafter testified that he could not recall interrogating any employee about
union or concerted activity on that day.
As for item (5) above, Natrop could not
recall whether he had asked 'Babcock about the Union but denied that he had said
it would not be hard to find a reason to fire anybody and that if the Union came
in Respondent would do so.
As for (6), there was no denial by Schultz that he
had made a reference to the matches that he inferred that Babcock had put in the
truck.
As for (7) above, there was no denial by Laurin that he had asked Babcock
whether he had signed one of those "goofy" cards.
As for (8), Laurin did not deny
asking Knoll what he knew about the Union.
When asked if he had said that the
union matter was getting out of hand and that the boss would discharge whomever
he found had started the Union, his testimony was, "No sir, not that I recall."
As can be seen, much of the foregoing testimony of the General Counsel's wit-
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-nesses was undenied, and as to that which was denied, many of the denials were
made in the context of admitted poor recollection concerning the matters in ques-
tion.
Accentuating this admitted uncertainty in Schultz' case was his admission that
he had interrogated Babcock about the Union and his subsequent testimony that he
could not recall interrogating anyone about the Union. In contrast ,to Respondent's
indefiniteness and admitted haziness of recollection, the General Counsel's witnesses
were precise and articulate. I credit the General Counsel's versions here and find
that the following threats and interrogations were coercive within the meaning of
Section 8(a)'(1) of the Act: Schultz' threat to Rochon on April 1 to cut hours; to
Martin, Goss, and Clark on April 2 to discharge the union instigator; to Babcock
on April 1 to use leased trucks to avoid dealing with the Union; Natrop's interroga-
tion of Babcock and threat of discharge on April 1; Laurin's interrogation and
threat of discharge to Knoll on April 1 and his interrogation of Babcock on April
27; also (in the context of the other violations here) Schultz' comment to Rochon
on April 27 about the union matches and his wish to find out who was trying to
get the Union in.
The April 5 Meeting
Martin Rochon testified that on April 5, Richard Natrop told him that they
were going to have a meeting that night and asked him to tell each driver to come
if he wanted to. In substance the General Counsel's evidence as to what occurred
at this meeting as reflected in the testimony of Rochon, Babcock, and Herman Knoll
is as follows: All of the drivers except Fred Palmer and Horn were present at the
meeting which began around 8 p.m. In addition to the drivers both Natrop and
Laurin were present.
Natrop called the meeting to order and conducted it.
Ac-
cording to Rochon's testimony Natrop said that the "reason he called the meeting
was that the boss wanted to find out if [they] wanted the Union in"; that they were
going to take a vote and that "if not voted in, it was supposed to be dropped that
evening."
Natrop further said that "if this union deal hadn't come up, Mr. Schultz
had a better vacation plan, and a raise in mind for [the employees]."
Natrop also
said that the Respondent had people with their own tractors "ready to move in"
and that Respondent's tractors would be taken off the road if the Union got in.
He
further pointed out that the talk of more money and a better vacation plan "couldn't
be brought out while that union talk was going on"; "that Mr. Schultz didn't like
the Union and didnt want any part of it around there.
Natrop also indicated that the
Union could not do anything for the employees that Schultz would not do for them.
He admonished the employees not to forget the Christmas bonus and hams that
Schultz gave them and added that if the Union came in Schultz would no longer
pay insurance and laundry for coveralls.
Finally it was agreed that a vote should be taken.
Laurin did not vote nor did
Natrop vote for himself; however, he indicated that he was voting for Palmer at
the latter's request which he did.
The votes were opened and tallied by Knoll and
Natrop.
The result was seven against the Union and one for the Union.
After the
election "there was quite a commotion when Herman [Knoll] started voicing his
opinion as to what a union was all about.
Knoll talked at this time in favor of the
Union. It was either during this discussion or during the general discussion that
took place before the vote occurred that Knoll had asked several questions and
pointed out things that the Union could do for the employees, such as providing
6-paid holidays and eliminating work on Sundays for straight time only. It is clear
that of the drivers Knoll took a more active part in the meeting than the others and
that this part was patently in favor of the Union.
After the discussion, according
to Babcock's testimony, Natrop told him that they "could sure tell who was for the
Union."
According to Laurin's testimony neither he nor Natrop participated in the meet-
ing.
Nevertheless he was unable to say for sure whether or not Natrop called the
meeting to order.
According to him the meeting came to order spontaneously.
He
further claimed that he attended the meeting simply out of curiosity; that he "prob-
ably" learned of the meeting when he was asked for permission to use the office.
He
could not recall who had asked such permission and finally denied that he had been
asked, testifying that "they" may have asked someone else .
He further claimed that
he did not know that Natrop was going to be at the meeting.
Yet he also indicated
that Natrop's "intentions were not to vote." Schultz denied any prior knowledge
of the meeting whatsoever or of taking any part in arranging it.
Natrop testified that he did not initiate the April 5 meeting nor was it his idea
to hold it.
His explanation of how the meeting originated was as follows:
I walked out into the garage from the office, which I do on many occasions.
And there was a so-called rumble out there again, which there had been many
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of, and again they were arguing pro and con against the Union.
There were
a number of people at that time drifting back and forth and getting into the
conversation.
I don't recall the exact people who they were.
However, it was
brought up at that time that-why don't we get together and settle this thing,
why don't we have a meeting and hash it over, get it done, this constant fighting
back here, everybody was very unhappy. . . . I stuck my nose in and said,
"I think it's a real good idea, why don't we. I will be happy to come down
and open up the place if you people want to come down and talk it over."
And they accepted it, which I did.
Mr. Rochon in the meantime advised every-
one that they were going to go ahead with original planof having the meeting,
etc.
According to Natrop, Rochon "advised" everyone about the meeting but not on
Natrop's instructions.
He took it upon himself to do so .
Natrop admitted opening
the meeting explaining that everyone was sitting around "evading the point " talking
about everything other than the Union so he said, "Look, we know what we are here
for.
Why don't we get to it."
He then told the employees that he knew what
Schultz' feelings were indicating that Schultz did not want the "constant bickering"
that had been going on.3
Although he denied making any suggestions about work-
ing conditions he admitted having been asked questions by the employees about mat-
ters pertaining to the work .
He then testified as follows:
I said there is one thing I want to impress and one thing I want to get across,
that I know Mr. Schultz doesn 't care whether this thing goes union or not, one
way or another. But he wants to get it over with, but what are we standing
to gain?
Are we going to gain anything financially ?
I as an individual am
not affected by this, but let's consider what the Company has done in the past
years.
So we went on to discuss some of these things, the improvements have
been made in working conditions , annual pay increases that generally take place
about the time all this started, bonuses, and so on.
When the boys are low in
cash, they are never refused, they are always helped out.
All those things
entered into it, and those were in general the things that were discussed at that
meeting.
Natrop denied that either he or Laurin suggested taking a vote on the matter.
Natrop's description of the details of the vote was as follows:
Well, we took a piece of paper and divided
-the pieces as equally as we could
so it wouldn't be discriminatory towards any one individual , so they all looked
,alike.
. Uniform in size, and there were no markings of any kind of this
thing, and then they were asked to vote and to put down Yes if they were for
the union and No if they were against it.
Everyone was instructed, and I did
that myself, how to fold the ballot .
And they were put back in the hat so you
couldn't tell one from the other .
And I went on to tell them, I said, "I'd like
to have you fellows get this thing ironed out." It wasn 't a healthy condition,
and that we would keep it in secrecy as far as management was concerned.
So there would be no ill feelings among anyone or anyone concerned.
As already indicated, neither he nor Laurin voted for themselves ; but he voted
for Fred Palmer who had instructed him to vote against the Union which he did.
In addition to the testimony of Natrop and Laurin on this matter , three of the
employees were called by and testified on behalf of Respondent.
None of them
denied that Natrop made any of the statements attributed to him by the General
Counsel's witnesses.
Their testimony was simply that they heard no such state-
ments.4
Moreover, one of these witnesses, George Nelson, testified that he heard
-Natrop say that the hours of work would be reduced if the Union got in.
He also
testified that Natrop said "he was going to have this meeting to settle it and see
whether we were going to have it [the Union] or not ."
According to Nelson's
further testimony Natrop also said that Schultz wanted to know and that was why
the meeting was called.
Despite Natrop's attempt to portray an air of aloofness and injured innocence
about this meeting, it is clear from the contradictions between Respondent's wit-
8 Elsewhere in his testimony Natrop denied stating at the opening of the meeting that
the meeting had been called because "the boss" wanted to know whether or not the
employees were going to have a union
4 One of Respondent's witnesses , Donald Gore, testified on cross-examination that he
did not recall Natrop doing any talking.
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'nesses B and the inconsistencies and admissions in Natrop's own testimony 6 that the
General Counsel's testimony on this matter must be credited.
Accordingly, I find
Respondent responsible for holding the meeting and that it coerced and threatened
employees therein for engaging in union activities, promised economic benefits if
they rejected the Union, and conducted an election among the employees concerning
their preference for membership. in the Union all in violation of Section 8(a) (1)
of the Act.
Discrimination
Herman Knoll worked for Respondent from June 1959 to April 7, 1960, when he
was discharged. In August, Knoll took it upon himself to get the Union interested
in organizing Respondent's drivers.
To this end he visited the union office where
he apparently made known his purpose to Robert Schlieve, secretary-treasurer of
the Union.
He next saw Schlieve in February 1960 and about March 1 made his
home available for a union meeting at which Schlieve and three of Respondent's
other drivers, Rochon, Babcock, and Hansen, were present.
Late in March he
attended another union meeting.
Between the two meetings he and other supporters
of the Union carried on their campaign among the employees. The singular prounion
part played by Knoll at the company-sponsored meeting on April 5 and Respond-
ent's cognizance thereof has been noted.
Significantly, 2 days later Knoll was
discharged.
According to Schultz' testimony, Knoll had been asked two or three
times in the 2 or 3 weeks prior to his discharge to work nights,
Receiving no reply
from him,7 Respondent interpreted his silence as a refusal to accede to its request
and discharged him for that reason and for the additional reason that work was
getting slack.
According to Knoll's testimony when he asked Laurin why he was being let go
the latter referred him to Schultz. In the office Knoll asked Schultz the reason
for his termination and was told he "had refused to go on nights and this work was
getting slack..
"
Knoll protested that since he had more seniority than Palmer
and Horn he "didn't see why (he) shouldn't go on nights and let those guys get
laid off."
Schultz went back to his newspaper and Knoll walked out.
According
to Schultz' version, besides denying that he ever "opened" a newspaper in his office
from the time he started in business in 1935, he claimed to have given Knoll the
opportunity then nand there to take the night job but that Knoll just turned around
and walked out. I credit Knoll here.
When he started with Respondent, Knoll was assigned to night work which he
performed until the first week in January when he was offered daywork and
accepted it.
Late in January he asked Laurin if he could go back on the night shift.
Laurin told him he would take the matter up with Schultz and let him know.
According to Knoll's testimony he heard nothing further from Laurin about it and
he denied that Laurin had later asked him to work nights.
Knoll further testified
that the only thing he had heard about nightwork after his request to go back to
it was his receiving a telephone call from Suzy, the office girl, on the Friday before
his discharge in which she asked if he was still interested in nightwork.
To his reply
that he was not "exactly" interested at that time, she said that if he was interested
he "should let them know."
According to Laurin's testimony, besides having asked or told Knoll on March 23
or 24 to work nights, he repeated the request on April 5.
On both occasions, Knoll
indicated that he would "let (Respondent) know." Laurin conveyed Knoll's answers
to Schultz who (on the April 5 occasion) told Laurin to let Knoll finish out the next
2 days and then release him. Laurin admitted that from this point, no attempt was
made to ascertain what if any decision had been made by Knoll and that the next
step was when he agave Knoll his check and told him he was through because of his
refusal to work nights.
Notwithstanding the decision • to wait 2 days before dis-
5 For instance in conflict with Natrop 's testimony was Laurin 's testimony that Natrop
took no part in the meeting; and Nelson's testimony that the meeting had been called
because Schultz wanted to know whether the employees were going to have a union.
For Instance , Natrop's denial about making any suggestions about working conditions
and his subsequent testimony to the contrary.
7 According to Laurin's testimony , when he told Knoll he would have to work nights
about March 23 or 24, Knoll said he would "let [Respondent ]
know."
According to
Laurin's further testimony, one of the night drivers, Joe Horn, had indicated that he
was leaving sometime around April 1.
This plus the fact that work was getting a little
slack and some of the industrial accounts were insisting on nighttime delivery necessitated
putting one of the daymen on nights
Knoll had the least seniority of the daytime drivers
and night driving was assigned on the basis of seniority.
A. E. SCHULTZ FUEL CO., INC. & MIDWEST BULK, INC.
711
charging Knoll, according to Laurin's further testimony, although Respondent had on
file a current list of job applicants, it was not until after Knoll was discharged, or
around 4:45 that afternoon, that Knoll's replacement, one Wisnefske, "was selected
to be the one to be interviewed and also tried out" for work that very night .8
Analysis and Conclusions
Analysis of the foregoing evidence in the light of Respondent's various acts of
interference with the rights guaranteed its employees in the Act with particular refer-
ence to the repeated threats that if Respondent found out who started he Union he
would be discharged and culminating in the April 5 meeting and the unique stand
taken therein by Knoll convinces me that Knoll was discharged because of his union
activity and not for "refusing" to work nights as contended by Respondent. I so find.
It may be that Respondent, at the time of Knoll's discharge, was anticipating the
resignation of one of the night drivers and that Knoll (as evidenced by his request to
Laurin in January to go back on nightwork and his subsequent indication to Suzy,
the office girl, that he was then no longer "exactly" interested) was somewhat equivo-
cal about his feelings in the matter of nightwork.9
These factors, I believe, have been
seized upon by Respondent as a convenient and fairly ,plausible explanation to justify
Knoll's discharge and take it out of the purview of Section 8(a) (3) of the Act.
Laurin's unreliability as a witness was demonstrated among other ways in his
testimony that neither he nor Natrop took any part in the April 5 meeting when
Natrop's testimony (in agreement with the General Counsel's version) showed the
contrary.
Accordingly, I am inclined to believe that the only conversation Knoll had
with Laurin about nightwork was his own request in January to Laurin and the
latter's promise to see the boss about it.19 I credit Knoll's version of the nightwork
matter in toto.
Even if Respondent's evidence about Knoll's supposed requests to work nights
had not been rejected, there are so many inconsistencies and implausibilities in
Respondent's story that I would still be constrained to find that the nightwork matter
had been utilized by Respondent as a pretext to mask Respondent's real antiunion
motive for discharging Knoll.
For instance, in addition to the numerous threats to
discharge the one responsible for bringing in the Union and the other 8(a)(1) con-
duct of Respondent, it seems to me highly unlikely that Respondent would wait until
the last minute to "select for interview" and try out (as Respondent claims) a replace-
ment for Knoll when it was decided 2 days earlier to replace him, and if it could be
said that the purpose for so waiting was to see what Knoll's decision was about
nightwork, the question then is (as it would be in any event) why was Knoll dis-
charged without being given a chance to voice his decision or without a demand being
made for that decision? Having found that no request was made of Knoll about work-
ing nights except Suzy's, it is clear to me that Respondent's precipitous discharge of
Knoll so soon after the revealing meeting of April 5 was based on his prounion activ-
ity and not for the reason advanced by Respondent. I so find.
The Refusal To Bargain
On April 4, the Union wrote Respondent in pertinent part as follows:
This is to advise that this Local Union represents a majority of the employees
of the above-subject companies for the purposes of collective bargaining in the
matters of wages, hours of work and general working conditions."
8 In this connection, a great deal of testimony was concerned with whether or not
Knoll had seen Wisnefske and Natrop in one of Respondent 's trucks the day before Knoll's
discharge.
I deem it unnecessary to resolve the conflict or to make any finding on this
matter.
9 Laurin admitted that Knoll asked him in January to be put back on nightwork. Since
Suzy did not testify, Knoll's testimony about her call stands uncontradicted on the record.
There being no showing that Suzy was unavailable to testify, Respondent's failure to
produce her is grounds for an inference that her testimony would not conflict with Knoll's.
Accordingly, I credit Knoll.
io As indicated, Laurin admitted that Knoll had asked him in January to be put back
on nightwork and that he had told Knoll he would look into it. But he was unable to
recall whether he conveyed any information to Knoll "later on . . . about his request."
"At this time there were nine employees in the unit , five of whom had signed cards
authorizing the Union to represent them as their collective -bargaining agent.
However,
one of the signers , Joe Horn, quit his employment with Respondent on April 8.
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. DECISIONS OF NATIONAL- LABOR RELATIONS BOARD,
A petition for a representation election has been filed with the Thirteenth
Region of the National Labor Relations Board by the undersigned.
If you would care to meet and discuss a stipulation for the conduct of such
election, please advise.
Further, if you would agree to meet and accept our
proof of majority, we would be willing to enter into negotiations for a labor
contract.
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1.
According to the testimony of Union Organizer Donald Tilkins, on April 6 while
Schlieve was absent, Schultz called the Union 12 and said, "I want to see proof of
this majority that you claim you have with the employees of the Company." Tilkins
replied, "Mr. Schultz, this is purely an act of secrecy.
We never show these cards to
anybody, but we can substantiate our proof by a third party, by either a minister or
a priest."
Tilkins was then asked where Schheve was and upon being informed that
he was not present, the conversation ended with Tilkins promising to leave a message
for Schlieve upon his return to call Schultz.
On April 8 Respondent received a copy of the R petition which had been filed
with the Board by the Union on April 6. The petition described the bargaining unit
as "all employees employed by the employer including truckdrivers, mechanics, and
yard workers and excluding office and clerical employees, guards, and supervisors
as defined in the Act." 13
The petition also indicated that no demand for recognition
had been made of the employees by the Union.14
According to Schlieve's undenied and credited testimony, returning to his office on
the morning of April 8 he found the message to call Schultz and did so telling Schultz
he was returning his call. Schultz said, "I didn't call you." Schlieve replied that if
Schultz had not called him then they "certainly (had) nothing to talk about."
Nevertheless, Schultz said he wanted "to see those cards." Schlieve replied that he
"would not under any circumstances show him ,the signed cards" but was "willing to
meet with him," prove the majority, "and enter into collective bargaining for a con-
tract for these people." Schultz asked when they could meet. Schlieve indicated any
time that was convenient to Schultz.
The latter then, because he was going to be out
of town, suggested that Schlieve call him the following week. Schlieve did not call
until April 13.
Then, after discussing Knoll's discharge m which Schlieve said he
thought it was strange to hire a replacement if work was so slow as Respondent con-
tended, Schlieve said, "Well, Mr. Schultz, I'd like to prove my majority and bargain
an agreement."
Schultz said, "Well, the National Board has a meeting set up for
the 21st, so to hell with it.
We will jet them take care of it."
On April 21, the Union withdrew its R petition and filed charges with the Board
alleging certain 8 (a)( I) conduct and the discharge of Knoll, in violation of Section
8 (a) (3) of the Act.
The filing of the charges and the withdrawal of the R petition
occurred on the very day that a meeting had been arranged to discuss the details of a
consent election which the Respondent apparently had agreed to.
On May 27, the Union wrote Respondent as follows:
The purpose of this letter is to reaffirm and reiterate our demand for negotiations
on behalf of your employees which was previously made on April 6, 1960. The
employees whom we represent are employed as truckdrivers, mechanics and yard
workers at the A. E. Schultz Fuel Company and Mid-West Bulk, Inc.
We do not
seek to represent any office or clerical employees, guards, or supervisors as
defined in the National Labor Relations Act.
We suggest that the bargaining meeting be held in our office on the third of
June 1960, Friday, at 10 a.m., if time, place, or date or inconvenient for you,
please advise us and we will work out mutually acceptable arrangements.
In reply to this letter Respondent's counsel wrote the Union on June 3, as follows:
This will acknowledge your letter to Mr. C. A. Schultz, dated May 31, 1960, in
which you requested a meeting for purposes of collective bargaining.
Under date of April 6, 1960, you petitioned the N.L.R.B. for representation
election.
On April 21, 1960, an N.L.R.B. conference was scheduled for the purpose of
working out the detail of a consent election to which we agreed.
"Laurin testified that it was he who called the Union on this occasion and not Schultz.
It is immaterial who called since there was no denial by Laurin of Tilkins' testimony as
to the substance of the conversation. I credit Tilkins.
18 It was stipulated and I find that this is an appropriate unit within the meaning of
the Act
14 If I understand Schlieve's testimony correctly (which was not clear) he apparently
had instructed the attorneys to file the R petition before he wrote his letter of April 4
to Respondent.
A. E. SCHULTZ FUEL CO., INC.
& MIDWEST BULK, INC.
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On April 21 , we were notified by the N.L.R.B . that you had filed unfair labor
practices against the Company and that you had withdrawn the petition for an
election.
Under date of May 2 , 1960, you amended the charges to include additional
unfair labor practices .
The notice of the amendment showed these to be the first
amendment and we therefore presume you have others in mind.
In view of the foregoing we decline to engage in collective bargaining with
Local 563 for the units requested .
At no time, however, have we ever objected to
a petition for election and at no time have we ever refused or would refuse to
bargain with any labor organization certified by the N .L.R.B. as the collective
bargaining representative of the employees.
Conclusions
Admitting that there may be some question as to the adequacy of the demand for
recognition in the Union's letter of April 4, the General Counsel nevertheless contends
that it was a valid demand particularly "when read in tandem" with the R petition.
I disagree.
In my opinion the letter made no demand for recognition but gave
Respondent the choice of going to an election either by consent or the more formal
procedure or, if it wished, to accept the Union's claim of majority and to recognize
it on that basis.
There is some indication in the record as a whole that the Union
may have itself placed this interpretation on its April 4 letter when in its May 27
letter it referred to its original request for recognition as having been "previously
made on April 6, 1960." 15 It was on April 6 that the R petition was filed. The
General Counsel contends, "that a Representation Petition lawfully constitutes a
demand for recognition."
Even if true (which it is not) in this particular case the
fact the R petition in the answer to question 7a therein indicated that no demand for
recognition had been made would take it out of the operation of such a rule.
Ob-
viously, any question that Respondent might have had up to that point as to just
what the Union's letter of April 4 means vis-a-vis the matter of recognition was quite
clearly answered in 7a of the R petition.is
Furthermore, shortly after the filing of the R petition, specifically on April 8,
there is further indication that the Union may not have considered that the R petition,
together with its April 4 letter constituted a demand for recognition and bargaining.
I refer to Schlieve 's statement over the telephone to Schultz
(when he had told
Schlieve that he had not called him) to the effect that if Schultz had not called him,
they "certainly (had) nothing to talk about ."
I find it difficult to understand why
Schlieve, if he had an outstanding and unanswered demand for bargaining, would
have made such a statement to Schultz at that time.
In any event, what was said in the remainder of the conversation , according to
Schlieve's undenied and credited testimony, clearly absolves Respondent of any
refusal to bargain up to and through April 8.
When Schlieve indicated that he was
"willing" to meet with Schultz , prove his majority, "and enter into collective bar-
gaining," it was Schultz who asked when they could meet and left it up to Schlieve
to call him the following week about a meeting. By the time Schlieve called, Horn
had quit and the Union no longer had a majority. Thus Schlieve 's demands of April 13
and May 27 for recognition placed no legal obligations in that respect on Respondent.
IV. THE EFFECT OF THE UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES UPON COMMERCE
The Respondent's activities set forth in section III, above , occurring in connection
with the Respondent's operations described in section 1, above, have a close, intimate,
and substantial relation to trade, traffic, and commerce among the several States, and-
tend to lead to labor disputes burdening and obstructing commerce and the free
flow of commerce.
V.
THE REMEDY
Having found that Respondent has engaged in certain unfair labor practices , I shall
recommend that it cease and desist therefrom and take certain affirmative action
designed to effectuate the policies of the Act.
ss The evidence shows that Respondent received the April 4 letter on April 6.
Never-
theless , in view of subsequent events , it is possible that the Union in referring to its de-
mand as having been made on the 6th had in mind the letter only In the context of the
R petition.
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le That this would be the result for Respondent Is true regardless of the validity of
Schlieve's explanation as to why the petition , dated 2 days after the date of the letter of
demand, indicated that no demand had been made
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DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD
Having found that Respondent discriminated in regard to the hire and tenure of
employment of Herman Knoll by discharging him on April 7, 1960, the Trial Ex-
aminer will recommend that the Respondent offer him immediate and full reinstate-
ment to his former or substantially equivalent position , without prejudices to his
seniority or other rights and privileges , and make him whole for any loss of pay he
may have suffered by reason of said discrimination by payment to him of a sum of
money equal to that which he would have earned as wages from the date of the offer
of reinstatement less his net earnings during such period , in accordance with the
formula set forth in F. W. Woolworth Company, 90 NLRB 289.
Since the violations of the Act which the Respondent committed are related to other
unfair labor practices proscribed by the Act, and the danger of their commission in
the future is reasonably to be anticipated from its past conduct , the preventive purpose
of the Act may be thwarted unless the recommendations are coextensive with the
threat.
To effectuate the policies of the Act, therefore, it will be recommended that
the Respondent cease and desist from infringing in any manner upon the rights guaran-
teed employees by the Act.
Upon the basis of the foregoing findings of fact, and upon the entire record in
this proceeding, I make the following:
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
1. The Union is a labor organization within the meaning of Section 2(5) of the Act.
2. By discriminating in regard to the hire and tenure of employment of Herman
Knoll, thereby discouraging membership in the Union , Respondent has engaged in
and is engaging in unfair labor practices within the meaning of Section 8 (a) (3) of
the Act.
3. By interfering with, restraining , and coercing its employees in the exercise of
the rights guaranteed in Section 7 of the Act, Respondent has engaged in and is
engaging in unfair labor practices within the meaning of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act.
4. The aforesaid unfair labor practices are unfair labor practices within the meaning
of Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act.
5. Respondent has not refused to bargain with the Union in violation of Section
8 (a) (5) of the Act.
[Recommendations omitted from publication.]
Northern Virginia Steel Corporation
and
Shopmen's
Local
Union No. 486 of the International Association of Bridge,
Structural and Ornamental Iron Workers , AFL-CIO.
Case
No. 5-CA-1587.
August 4, 1961
DECISION AND ORDER
On October 10, 1960, Trial Examiner James F. Foley issued his
Intermediate Report in the above-entitled proceeding, finding that
the Respondent had engaged in and was engaging in certain unfair
labor practices and recommending that it cease and desist therefrom
and take certain affirmative action, as set forth in the copy of the
Intermediate Report attached hereto.
Thereafter, the Respondent
filed a motion to remand the proceeding to the Trial Examiner,' and
the General Counsel and the Respondent filed exceptions to the Inter-
mediate Report and supporting briefs.
The Board has reviewed the rulings of the Trial Examiner made at
i On December 7, 1960, the Board's Executive Secretary notified the Respondent by
letter that its motion would be considered by the Board along with the entire record in
the proceeding.
132 NLRB No. 50.