184 NLRB 432
Peoples Outfitting Co.
432
DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD
Peoples Outfitting Company and Retail Clerks Inter-
national Association, AFL-CIO, Local Union 876.
Case 7-CA-7588
June 30, 1970
DECISION AND ORDER
BY CHAIRMAN MILLER AND MEMBERS MCCULLOCH
AND BROWN
On April 28, 1970, Trial Examiner William W.
Kapell issued his Decision in the above-entitled
proceeding, finding that Respondent had engaged
in and was engaging in certain unfair labor prac-
tices and recommending that it cease and desist
therefrom and take certain affirmative action, as set
forth in the attached Trial Examiner's Decision.
Thereafter, Respondent filed exceptions to the
Decision and a supporting brief.
Pursuant to the provisions of Section 3(b) of the
National Labor Relations Act, as amended, the Na-
tional Labor Relations Board has delegated its
powers in connection with this case to a three-
member panel.
The Board has reviewed the rulings of the Trial
Examiner made at the hearing and finds that no
prejudicial error was committed. The rulings are
hereby affirmed. The Board has considered the
Trial Examiner's Decision, the exceptions and brief,
and the entire record in the case, and hereby
adopts the findings, conclusions, and recommenda-
tions of the Trial Examiner.
ORDER
Pursuant to Section 10(c) of the National Labor
Relations Act, as amended, the National Labor
Relations Board adopts as its Order the Recom-
mended Order of the Trial Examiner and hereby
orders that Respondent, Peoples Outfitting Com-
pany, Detroit, Michigan, its officers, agents, succes-
sors, and assigns, shall take the action set forth in
the Trial Examiner's Recommended Order.
CHAIRMAN MILLER, dissenting in part:
I would dismiss the 8(a)(3) allegation and limit
the findings of 8(a)(1) violations to the instances
of interrogation.
The only direct evidence of improper motivation
with respect to the discharge which I can find in
this record is the testimony of the one employee
(admittedly a union supporter) to the effect that a
managerial employee stated that "he would have to
find a way to get rid of [the dischargee] because
she was causing too much trouble." Two other per-
sons were present at the time of the conversation in
which this remark was alleged to have been made.
One was one of the General Counsel's witnesses,
employee Moore, who testified concerning the con-
versation in general but failed to corroborate that
any such statement was made in the course of it.
The other person present was the managerial em-
ployee himself, Tell, who testified, "I can't recollect
making a statement in that particular being. If I
made any mention to Miss Perry in regards to the
work, it had to be after discussing the problems that
we encountered in M cycle and the number of ac-
counts that had to be sued and the amount of work
that was applied to those accounts, which was Miss
Perry's responsibility."
The Respondent claims that the discharge had no
relationship to union activity and was one of many
terminations made because Respondent was in
severe financial strains. It is undisputed that a sub-
stantial number of other employees were ter-
minated, and it is also undisputed in the record that
terminations were not effected on any seniority
basis nor had the Employer ever had a policy of ter-
minating on a seniority basis. Nor is there any al-
legation that other union supporters were selected
for termination because of their union activities,
and the record affirmatively shows that a number of
other union supporters were retained in the employ
of the Company in the course of the general reduc-
tion in force.
On the record considered as a whole, I am not
persuaded that the General Counsel has met his
burden of proof in establishing that the discharge of
Perry violated Section 8(a)(3) and (1), nor am I
persuaded that the evidence will support a finding
that the Employer threatened reprisals for engaging
in union activities.
Furthermore, the finding of an 8(a)(1) violation
based on an alleged offer of benefit to the
discharged employee to induce her to drop her
charges also rests on highly insecure evidentiary
grounds.
The alleged offer came about in a
telephone call initiated by the discharged employee
herself and in a context in which the employee
volunteered that she had filed the instant charge
because the Employer was "fighting me on com-
pensation." The Employer's response that he would
"stop fighting" on compensation if she dropped the
charge more nearly indicates a desire to amicably
arrange a settlement of what the Employer seemed
to regard as her real complaint, rather than any im-
proper interference with employees' rights, particu-
larly since the employee had volunteered that her
motivation for filing the charge was the attitude of
the Employer with respect to her claim for unem-
ployment compensation.
184 NLRB No. 47
PEOPLES OUTFITTING COMPANY
433
TRIAL EXAMINER'S DECISION
$50,000 were transported and delivered to its
STATEMENT OF THE CASE
WILLIAM
W. KAPELL, Trial Examiner: This
matter, a proceeding under Section 10(b) of the
National Labor Relations Act, as amended, herein
called the Act, was heard in Detroit, Michigan, on
February 24, 1970, with all parties participating
pursuant to due notice upon a complaint' issued by
the General Counsel on December 31, 1969.2 The
complaint as amended at the hearing, in substance,
alleges that Peoples Outfitting Company, hereafter
referred to as Respondent or Company, in violation
of Section 8(a)(1) and (3) of the Act interfered
with, restrained, and coerced its employees by
coercive interrogation, threats of discharge for en-
gaging in union activities, promise of a benefit for
withdrawing a charge, and by discriminatorily
discharging employee Jacqueline Perry. Respon-
dent in its answer admitted the discharge of Perry
but claims it was due solely to economic reasons
connected with its receivership in a bankruptcy
proceeding, and denied engaging in any violations.
All parties were represented and were afforded
an opportunity to adduce evidence, to examine and
cross-examine witnesses, and to file briefs. A brief
was received from the General Counsel and has
been carefully considered. Upon the entire record
in the case, and from my observation of the wit-
nesses, I make the following:
FINDINGS OF FACT
1.
COMMERCE
Respondent, at all times material herein a cor-
poration duly organized under the laws of the State
of Michigan, has maintained its principal office and
place of business at 4600 Merritt Street in the city
of Detroit, Michigan, where it maintains, inter alia,
an office and store for the retail sale and distribu-
tion of furniture, appliances, and related products.
During the year 1969, Respondent, in the course
and conduct of its business operations, derived a
gross revenue in excess of $500,000 from the retail
sale and distribution of its products, and during the
same period purchased and caused to be trans-
ported and delivered to its Merritt Street store and
surburban
branches in and around Detroit,
Michigan, furniture, appliances, and other goods
and materials valued
in excess of $100,000 of
which goods and materials valued in excess of
I Based upon a charge filed on October 21, 1969, by Retail Clerks Inter-
national Association , AFL-CIO, Local Union 876, hereafter referred to as
the Union
2 All dates hereafter refer to the year 1969 unless otherwise noted
' The Union held two meetings , one on the night of September 23, and
the other on September 30 Prior to each meeting, the Union distributed
handbills in front of Respondent 's premises containing notices of the
Union 's meetings
' Perry testified that on a few occasions she had been picked up at the
end of the day's work in front of her office by Business Agent Novicoff and
stores in and around Detroit, Michigan , directly
from points located outside the State of Michigan.
Respondent admits , and I find, at all times material
herein it has been an employer engaged in com-
merce within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7)
of the Act.
11.
THE LABOR ORGANIZATION INVOLVED
Respondent
admits, and I find,
at
all
times
material herein, that the Union has been a labor or-
ganization within the meaning of Section 2(5) of
the Act.
III.
THE ALLEGED VIOLATIONS
A. The Alleged Interrogation and Threat
Alice Perez, a former employee of Respondent,
testified that Supervisor Richard Tell summoned
her to his office the morning following a union
meeting3 held the preceding night and questioned
her as to whether she and who else attended the
union meeting, to which she replied that she had
not attended and did not know who did. She
testified further that on the day following the
second union meeting, both she and employee Julia
Moore were summoned by Tell to his office where
they were questioned about the preceding union
meeting and how many attended. Both employees
replied that they had not attended the meeting and
were unaware as to who did. According to Perez,
Tell also stated that he had heard that employee
Jacqueline Perry had attended the union meeting,
and that she had been seen riding in the car of a
unionman ." Perez replied that merely because Perry
rode in a unionman's car did not mean she attended
union
meetings,
and denied knowing anything
about whether Perry attended the union meeting.5
Perry testified that following one of the union
meetings
she
was engaged in conversation by
Harold Kaplan, Respondent's president, and that he
asked whether it was true that she was dating a
unionman and whether she had signed a union
authorization card. Although present at the hear-
ing, Kaplan did not testify.
B. The Discharge of Perry and Promise of Benefit
Perry
began
working
for
Respondent in
November 1968 as a regular collector in the collec-
tion
department.
Her job was to telephone
driven home in his car
5 Julia Moore, still employed by Respondent, testified that all she heard
was that Tell asked how the meeting had gone and how many attended, and
that Perez mentioned Perry was dating a unionman Tell testified that he
questioned Perez and Moore about the union meeting, that Perry's name
had been mentioned as being acquainted with one of the union people, and
that he didn't recall whether he stated he would have to find a way to get
rid of Perry but if he did, it would have been in connection with her work
Perez appeared to be a straightfoward and persuasive witness and her
testimony Is credited
434
DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD
customers delinquent in paying their bills in an ef-
fort to have them pay up. Later, she was promoted
to a 90-day collector, which involved more difficult
collection work and was regarded as being a job su-
perior to that of a regular collector. During the
Union's campaign she solicited employees to sign
union cards and attended union meetings. When
she reported for work on the morning of Tuesday,
October 7, at the timeclock to punch her timecard,
Albert Magitz, a collection supervisor, told her that
Mr. Tell had pulled her timecard, and he had been
directed to notify her she was no longer employed.6
When she asked why, he replied he wasn't sure.?
Perry had never received any warning of an im-
pending dismissal. A couple of weeks after her
discharge, Perry found a message at her home to
call Respondent. She called and spoke to Kaplan
who asked why she was giving him trouble with the
NLRB case, and if she would drop it. When she
replied "you're fighting me on compensation,"8
Kaplan said "Well, if you will drop the case, I will
not fight you with your compensation." Perry told
him that she would think it over.
Meanwhile on October 2, Respondent had filed a
petition
requesting reorganization
pursuant to
chapter XI of the Federal Bankruptcy Act, and a
receiver had been appointed by the United States
District Court. On the same day Respondent posted
a notice on its bulletin board addressed to all em-
ployees, advising them of the court proceeding, as-
suring them that it was solvent, and stating the next
few months would be difficult for management, but
the Company would continue to operate as it had
been, and was not expecting any interruption of its
normal routine.
In
connection
with
Perry's
discharge,
Tell
testified that he had received instructions from
Kaplan and the court appointed receiver to lay off
employees according to ability and not seniority,
and that about 18 employees, including Perry, were
laid off during September and October. He testified
further that Mr. Wilt, a supervisor, after reviewing
Perry's work on October 3 or 4, had recommended
her immediate dismissal because of her poor work.
However it was admitted that ordinarily if an em-
ployee's work was found to be delinquent, she
would be warned a couple of times that she would
be discharged if she failed to improve. Tell could
only recall Perry's name of all who were discharged
and stated further that of 360 employees in July,
there were only 160 at the end of December.
C. Conclusions
1. The interrogations and threat
Tell admittedly interrogated Moore and Perez as
to whether they had attended the union meeting
and how many others attended. During the same
conversation Tell stated he had heard that Perry
was associating with the unionman, that she had at-
tended the union meeting, and that, as found
above, he would have to find a way to get rid of her
because she was causing too much trouble. It is also
undenied that in a conversation following one of
the
union
meetings,
Kaplan questioned Perry
whether she was dating a unionman and had signed
a union authorization card.
In the context of Tell's conversation with Moore
and Perez, his remark about getting rid of Perry
carried the reasonable implication that union activi-
ty would lead to her discharge and amply demon-
strated Respondent's union hostility.9 The remark
also carried the threat of similar action in the future
if other employees engaged in union activity. It is
well settled that an employer violates Section
8(a)(1) of the Act by threatening to retaliate
against an employee because of her union activity.
N.L.R.B. v. The Bin-Dicator Company, 356 F.2d
210, 213-214 (C.A. 6), enfg. 143 NLRB 964, as
modified. This rule also applies where the em-
ployer's statement, although not an explicit threat,
can reasonably be so construed by the employees.
See N.L.R.B. v. Electric Steam Radiator Corp., 321
F.2d 733, 736 (C.A. 6).
The interrogation of the employees concerning
the Union was coercive because it took place in an
atmosphere of active opposition to the Union,
without explanation to the employees of the pur-
pose of the questioning under circumstances in-
dicating it had no legitimate objective, and was
unaccompanied by any assurance against reprisal
See Bourne v. N.L.R.B., 332 F.2d 47, 48 (C.A. 2);
N.L.R.B. v. The Lorben Corp., 345 F.2d 346, 348
(C.A. 2); and N.L.R.B. v. Builders Supply Co. of
Houston, 410 F.2d 606 (C.A. 5). 1, therefore, find
that by its threat to get rid of Perry and its inter-
rogation of Moore, Perez, and Perry, Respondent
interfered with, restrained, and coerced its em-
ployees in the exercise of their statutory rights in
violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act.
e Her regular workweek was from Sunday to Saturday with payday on the
following Thursday
' According to Magitz he told her " Well, for various reasons Many of
them you know yourself "
8 Perry had applied for unemployment compensation and the Company
had been delinquent in sending the required information to process her
claim
Pursuant to the General Counsel 's request, official notice is taken of
the Board Order and the enforcement judgment of the Court of Appeals for
the Sixth Circuit in a poor case involving Respondent In that Case
7-CA-7271, not published , Respondent entered into a settlement stipula-
tion (executed on July 29) providing for a Board Order (issued on Sep-
tember 2) and court decree (entered on September 12) based on Board
findings of coercive employee interrogation and a discriminatory discharge
during March of 1969 These findings provide additional grounds indicat-
ing Respondent's union animus
PEOPLES OUTFITTING COMPANY
435
2. The discharge of Perry and promise of benefit
Respondent contends that Perry was discharged
for economic reasons connected with the chapter
XI reorganization proceeding. Yet, it appears that
shortly before her discharge, Respondent indicated
its sensitivity to the Union's progress by interrogat-
ing Moore , Perez, and Perry about the Union. Both
Tell and Kaplan were aware of Perry's union activi-
ty and each made reference to it in their respective
conversations . Tell, in fact, predicted that she
would be discharged because she was causing too
much trouble. This came true when she was
abruptly discharged on Tuesday, October 7, in the
middle of a workweek, after Supervisor Wilt al-
legedly reviewed her work during the preceding
day and recommended her immediate
dismissal.
Oddly enough, no evidence was presented to in-
dicate in what way she was delinquent in her work.
Nor was she previously warned about being
discharged unless she showed improvement in her
work, the procedure ordinarily used in effecting
dismissals . Respondent attempted to explain away
its failure to resort to the customary method of
dismissing employees by claiming that an emergen-
cy situation had been brought about by its reor-
ganization proceeding. However, its posted notice
on the bulletin board on October 2, stated that the
Company would continue to operate routinely and
assured the employees of its solvency. There was no
reference or inkling that drastic action was contem-
plated involving sudden layoffs. Moreover, even as-
suming that such drastic action was necessary, that
circumstance
alone
would not justify Perry's
discharge if antiunion motivation was also involved.
Thus, as the court in N.L.R.B. v. West Side Carpet
Cleaning Co., 329 F.2d 758, 761 (C.A. 6), enfg.
136 NLRB 1694, stated: "Even though part of the
motivation for ... discharge might have been a
needed cutting of expenses, such circumstance
could not be legally used to effectuate a companion
motive to rid the company of a union protagonist."
Nor am I "compelled to accept an employer's state-
ment when there is reasonable cause for believing
that the ground put forward by the employer was
not the true one, and that the real reason was the
employer's
dissatisfaction
with the employee's
union activity." Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Co.
v. N.L.R.B., 354 F.2d 707, 709 (C.A. 5). See also
N.L.R.B. v. Tennessee Packers, Inc., Frosty Morn
Division, 390 F.2d 782 (C.A. 6).
Based on all the evidence, I find that Perry's
union activity was undoubtedly a very significant, if
not the prime , factor in Respondent's decision to
discharge her. Moreover, the availability of a lawful
cause for discharge is no defense where the em-
ployee is actually discharged because of union ac-
tivity. N.L.R.B. v. Ace Comb Co., 342 F.2d 841, 847
(C.A. 8). I accordingly conclude that Respondent
discriminatorily discharged Perry in violation of
Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the Act.
Pursuant to the General Counsel's unopposed
and granted motion, the complaint was amended to
include an allegation of an additional 8(a)(1) viola-
tion based upon Respondent's offer to Perry, made
sometime after the filing of the charges, not to con-
test her claim for state unemployment compensa-
tion due to her discharge if she would drop her un-
fair labor practice charges. Undenied testimony was
adduced in support of that allegation . The General
Counsel contends that the aforesaid offer con-
stituted a promise of benefit which interfered with
the free exercise of Perry's statutory rights in viola-
tion of Section 8(a)(1). I find that Respondent's
offer was an attempt to buy off an unfair labor
practice charge by withdrawing opposition to Per-
ry's unemployment compensation claim. Respon-
dent thereby engaged in conduct which had a direct
tendency to frustrate the purposes of Section 7, and
also tended to interfere with Board process in
derogation of the public interest, in violation of
Section 8(a)(1).
IV.
THE EFFECT OF THE UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES
UPON COMMERCE
The activities of Respondent set forth in section
III, above, occurring in connection with Respon-
dent's operations described in section I, above,
have a close, intimate, and substantial relationship
to trade, traffic, and commerce among the several
States and tend to lead to labor disputes burdening
and obstructing commerce and the free flow of
commerce.
Upon the foregoing findings of fact and upon the
entire record I make the following:
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
1. At all times material herein, Respondent has
been engaged in commerce as an employer within
the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act.
2. At all times material herein, the Union has
been a labor organization within the meaning of
Section 2(5) of the Act.
3. By discharging Perry on October 7 and
thereafter refusing to reinstate her in order to
discourage
union
activities,
Respondent
dis-
criminated in regard to the hire and tenure of her
employment in violation of Section 8(a)(3) of the
Act.
4. By interrogating employees concerning union
matters, threatening reprisals for engaging in union
activities, and offering benefits to employees to
drop unfair labor practice charges, Respondent has
interfered with, restrained, and coerced its em-
ployees in the exercise of rights guaranteed in Sec-
tion 7 of the Act in violation of Section 8(a)(1).
THE REMEDY
Having found that Respondent has engaged in
unfair labor practices within the meaning of Section
8(a)(1) and (3) of the Act, I shall recommend that
436
DECISIONS OF NATIONAL
it cease and desist therefrom and take certain affir-
mative action designed to effectuate the policies of
the Act. Having found that Respondent has dis-
criminatorily discharged Perry, I shall recommend
that it offer her reinstatement to her former or sub-
stantially equivalent position , without prejudice to
her seniority or other rights and privileges, and
make her whole for any loss of earnings she may
have suffered as a result of the discrimination
against her. Backpay shall be computed on a quar-
terly basis and in a manner consistent with the
Board policy set forth in F.
W. Woolworth Com-
pany, 90 NLRB 289 and Isis Plumbing & Heating
Co., 138 NLRB 716.
Upon the foregoing findings of fact and conclu-
sions of law and upon the entire record in the case,
I recommend the following:
RECOMMENDED ORDER'°
Respondent, Peoples Outfitting Company, its of-
ficers, agents , successors, and assigns, shall:
1. Cease and desist from:
(a) Interrogating
employees concerning union
matters within the meaning of Section 8(a)(1) of
the Act.
(b) Threatening to discharge employees for en-
gaging in union activities.
(c) Offering benefits to employees to drop unfair
labor practice charges.
(d) Discouraging membership and activities in
Retail Clerks International Association, AFL-CIO,
Local Union 876, or any other labor organization,
by discriminating in regard to the hire and tenure of
its employees, or by discriminating in any other
manner in regard to any term or condition of em-
ployment.
(e) In any other manner interfering with,
restraining, or coercing employees in the exercise
of their rights under Section 7 of the Act.
2. Take the following affirmative action which is
deemed necessary to effectuate the policies of the
Act:
(a) Offer Jacqueline Perry immediate and full
reinstatement to her former job or, if that job no
longer exists, to a substantially equivalent position,
without prejudice to her seniority or other rights
and privileges, and make her whole for any loss of
pay she may have suffered as the result of her
discharge in the manner set forth in the section of
this Decision entitled "The Remedy."
(b) Preserve and, upon request, make available
to the Board or its agents, for examination and
copying, all payroll records, social security payment
records, timecards, personnel records and reports,
and all other records necessary to analyze the
amount of backpay due under the terms of this
Recommended Order.
(c) Post at its office in Detroit, Michigan, copies
of the attached notice marked "Appendix."" Cop-
ies of said notice, on forms provided by the Re-
gional Director for Region 7, after being duly
LABOR RELATIONS BOARD
signed by its representative, shall be posted by
Respondent immediately upon receipt thereof, and
be maintained by it for 60 consecutive days
thereafter, in conspicuous places, including all
places where notices to employees are customarily
posted. Reasonable steps shall be taken by Respon-
dent to insure that said notices are not altered,
defaced, or covered by any other material.
(d) Notify the Regional Director for Region 7, in
writing, within 20 days from the receipt of this
Decision, what steps have been taken to comply
herewith. 12
10 In the event no exceptions are filed as provided by Section 102 46 of
the Rules and Regulations of the National Labor Relations Board, the
findings, conclusions, recommendations , and Recommended Order herein
shall, as provided in Section 102 48 of the Rules and Regulations, be
adopted by the Board and become its findings , conclusions, and order, and
all objections thereto shall be deemed waived for all purposes
" In the event that the Board 's Order is enforced by a Judgment of a
United States Court of Appeals, the words in the notice reading "Posted by
Order of the National Labor Relations Board" shall be changed to read
"Posted Pursuant to a Judgment of the United States Court of Appeals
Enforcing an Order of the National Labor Relations Board "
'= In the event that this Recommended Order is adopted by the Board,
this provision shall be modified to read " Notify the Regional Director for
Region 7, in writing, within 10 days from the date of this Order , what steps
Respondent has taken to comply herewith "
APPENDIX
NOTICE TO EMPLOYEES
POSTED BY ORDER OF THE
NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD
An Agency of the United States Government
WE WILL NOT interrogate our employees
concerning their union activities or threaten
discharges for engaging in such activities or
offer benefits to employees to drop unfair
labor practice charges within the meaning of
Section 8(a)(1) of the Act.
WE WILL NOT
discharge
or discriminate
against
our employees because they have
joined or supported Retail Clerks International
Association , AFL-CIO, Local Union 876, or
any other labor organization.
WE WILL offer Jacqueline Perry full rein-
statement to her former job or, if that job no
longer exists , to an equivalent job and pay her
for any loss of earnings she may have suffered
as a result of her discharge.
PEOPLES OUTFITTING
COMPANY
(Employer)
Dated
By
(Representative ) (Title)
PEOPLES OUTFITTING COMPANY
437
This is an official notice and must not be defaced
Any questions concerning this notice or com-
by anyone.
pliance with its provisions may be directed to the
This notice must remain posted for 60 consecu-
Board's Office, 500 Book Building, 1249 Washing-
tive days from the date of posting and must not be
ton
Boulevard,
Detroit,
Michigan
48226,
altered, defaced, or covered by any other material.
Telephone 313-226-3200.
427-835 0 - 74 - 29