188 NLRB 298
Engineered Steel Products, Inc.
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Engineered Steel Products. Inc. and International Un-
ion, United Automobile, Aerospace & Agricultural
Implement Workers of America , UAW. Case 10-
CA-8269-1
January 30, 1971
DECISION AND ORDER
By CHAIRMAN MILLER AND MEMBERS FANNING AND
BROWN
On September 15, 1970, Trial Examiner Harry R.
Hinkes issued his Decision in the above-entitled pro-
ceeding, finding that the Respondent had not engaged
in the unfair labor practices alleged in the complaint
and recommending that the complaint be dismissed in
its entirety, as set forth in the attached Trial
Examiner's Decision. Thereafter, the Charging Party
filed exceptions to the Trial Examiner's Decision and
a supporting brief.
Pursuant to the provisions of Section 3(b) of the
National Labor Relations Act, as amended, the Na-
tional Labor Relations Board has delegated its powers
in connection with this case to a three-member panel.
The Board has reviewed the rulings of the Trial
Examiner made at the hearing and finds that no preju-
dicial error was committed. The rulings are hereby
affirmed.
The Board has considered the Trial
Examiner's Decision, the exceptions and brief, and
the entire record in the case, and hereby adopts the
findings,'conclusions, and recommendations of the
Trial Examiner as modified below.
We find, in agreement with the Trial Examiner, that
Johnnie Womble was discharged for his excessive ab-
senteeism and not because of his union activities.
However, we do find, contrary to the Trial Examiner,
the Shop Superintendent Love's interrogation of em-
ployees Curtis Stewart and Lenoris Womble was coer-
cive and did restrain and interfere with the employees
in the exercise of their rights guaranteed by the Act.
The Trial Examiner found that when Love first
learned of the Union's organizational campaign and
that employee Curtis Stewart was behind the union
effort, Love admittedly asked Stewart "how he felt
about the Union." Love also asked Lenoris Womble,
another employee whose son Johnnie had been dis-
charged for cause 2 days earlier, how he felt about the
Union and if he signed a "Union card." However, the
Trial Examiner found that the interrogation by Love
i The Charging Party excepts to certain credibility findings made by the
Trial Examiner. It is the Board's established policy, however, not to overrule
a Trial Examiner's credibility findings unless a clear preponderance of all the
relevant evidence convinces us that they are incorrect. Standard Dry Wall
Products, Inc 91 N.RB 544, enfd. 188 F.2d 362 (C.A. 3). We find no basis
for disturbing the Trial Examiner's credibility findings in this case
occurred in a background free of employer hostility to
union representation, was not systematically carried
out, and, with respect to the questioning of Womble,
Sr., about signing a card, contained no implied threat
of reprisal. In sum, the Trial Examiner characterized
Love's conduct as mere "requests for opinions and
permissible under the Act."
We disagree. Questioning selected employees about
their union sympathies without any legitimate reason
therefor and without any assurance against reprisal,
by its very nature tends to inhibit employees in the
exercise of their right to organize. Moreover, it can
hardly be said that the interrogation of Stewart was a
innocent or random as the Trail Examiner suggests.
This interrogation followed closely the revelation that
Stewart was the leader of the organizing campaign. In
view of the foregoing, we find that the Respondent, by
interrogating employees Stewart and Womble , inter-
fered with the exercise of rights guaranteed to em-
ployees in Section 7 of the Act and, accordingly,
violated Section 8(a)(1) thereof.
REMEDY
Having found that the Respondent has engaged in
certain conduct prohibited by Section 8(a)(1) of the
Act, we shall order the Respondent to cease and desist
therefrom and take certain affirmative action, as set
forth below, designed to effectuate the policies of the
Act.
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
1.
The Respondent is engaged in commerce with-
in the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act.
2.
The Union is a labor organization within the
meaning of Section 2(5) of the Act.
3.
By interrogating its employees about their un-
ion activities, the Respondent has violated Section
8(a)(1) of the Act.
ORDER
Pursuant to Section 10(c) of the National Labor
Relations Act, as amended, the National Labor Rela-
tions Board hereby orders that the Respondent, Engi-
neered Steel Products , Inc., Atlanta, Georgia, its
officers, agents, successors, and assigns, shall:
1.
Cease and desist from:
(a)
Interrogating its employees about their union
activities.
(b)
In any like or related manner interfering with,
restraining, or coercing its employees in the exercise
of their rights guaranteed to them by Section 7 of the
Act.
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2.
Take the following affirmative action in order
to effectuate the policies of the Act:
(a)
Post at its offices in Atlanta, Georgia, copies
of the attached notice marked "Appendix."2 Copies of
said notice, on forms provided by the Regional Direc-
tor for Region 10, after being duly signed by the
Respondent's representative, shall be posted by it im-
mediately upon receipt thereof, and be maintained by
it for 60 consecutive days thereafter, in conspicuous
places, including all places where notices to employ-
ees are customarily posted. Reasonable steps shall be
taken by Respondent to insure that said notices are
not altered, defaced, or covered by any other material.
(b)
Notify the Regional Director for Region 10, in
writing, within 20 days from the date of this Order,
what steps have been taken to comply herewith.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that -the complaint be, and
hereby is, dismissed insofar as it alleges violations of
the Act not specifically found herein.
2 In the event that this Order is enforced by a Judgment of a United States
Court of Appeals, the words in the notice reading "Posted by Order of the
National Labor Relations Board" shall be changed to read "Posted pursuant
to a Judgment of the United States Court of Appeals enforcing an Order of
the National Labor Relations Board."
Board's Office, Peachtree Building, Room 701, 730
Peachtree Street,
NE.,
Atlanta,
Georgia 30308,
Telephone 404-526-5760.
TRIAL EXAMINER'S DECISION
STATEMENT OF THE CASE
HARRY R. HINKES, Trial Examiner: The charge in this
proceeding was filed on March 31, 1970, by International
Union, United Automobile, Aerospace & Agricultural Im-
plement Workers of America, UAW, hereafter referred to
as the Union, and served on April 1, 1970, on Engineered
Steel Products, Inc., hereafter referred to as the Respondent
or Employer. Pursuant to this charge a complaint was issued
on June 12, 1970, alleging that the Respondent had commit-
ted unfair labor practices within the meaning of Section
8(a)(1) and (3) of the Act by discharging employee Johnnie
Womble and by interrogating its employees concerning
their union activities and threatening their discharge for
such activities. By answer duly filed Respondent admitted
the discharge of employee Womble but denied the commis-
sion of any unfair Labor practices.
A hearing was held before me in Atlanta, Georgia, on
July 21, 1970, at which all parties were afforded full oppor-
tunity to participate, examine witnesses , and adduce rele-
vant evidence. Briefs have been filed by counsel for the
General Counsel and counsel for the Respondent and have
been given careful consideration.
Upon the entire record in this proceeding, I make the
following:
APPENDIX
NOTICE TO EMPLOYEES
POSTED BY ORDER OF THE
NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD
An Agency of the United States Government
WE WILL NOT interrogate our employees about
their union activities.
WE WILL NOT in any like or related manner in-
terfere with, restrain, or coerce our employees in
the exercise of their rights guaranteed to them by
Section 7 of the Act.
ENGINEERED
STEEL
PRODUCTS,
INC.
Dated
By
(Employer)
(Representative)
(Title)
FINDINGS OF FACT
I
JURISDICTION
Respondent is, and has been at all times material herein,
a Georgia corporation with its principal office and place of
business located at Doraville , Georgia, where it is engaged
in the manufacture and sale of steel components and assem-
blies. During the calendar year preceding the issuance of the
complaint, which period is representative of all times mate-
rial herein, Respondent purchased and received products
valued in excess of $50,000 directly from suppliers located
outside the State of Georgia . The complaint alleges,
Respondent's answer admits and I find that the Respondent
is and has been at all times material herein engaged in
commerce within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the
Act.
It
THE LABOR ORGANIZATION
The complaint alleges, Respondent's answer admits, and
I find that the Union is and has been at all times material
herein a labor organization within the meaning of Section
2(5) of the Act.
III
THE UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES
This is an official notice and must not be defaced
by anyone.
This notice must remain posted for 60 consecutive
days from the date of posting and must not be altered,
defaced, or covered by any other material.
Any questions concerning this notice or compli-
ance with its provisions may be directed to the
A.
The Case for the General Counsel
Employee Davis who had been injured at work on Feb-
ruary 3, 1970, testified that 2 weeks before said injury, Shop
Superintendent Love, an admitted supervisor of the Re-
spondent, approached him and asked him whether he knew
who was "pushing" the Union. Davis replied that he would
rather not discuss it on the job. Instead he offered to call
Love if Love would give him his telephone number. Love
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gave his telephone number and Davis called him that eve-
ning. At that time Love again asked Davis if Davis knew
who was pushing the Union , to which Davis asked if Love
did not know. Love answered that he thought he knew and
mentioned employee Stewart and "the little -boy who ran the
saw," adding that he was going to have to release him and
let him go "if he didn't let up." According to Davis, Johnnie
Womble was the only one working on the saw at that time.
He amended his answer however, admitting that more than
one employee ran the saw. Johnnie Womble also testified
that from time to time, other employees cut a piece on the
saw.
Employee Davis further testified that about 1 week later
Shop Superintendent Love asked him how he felt about the
Union, to which Davis replied that he would rather not
discuss it on the job.
Johnnie Womble was hired by the Respondent in August
1969. He was discharged on February 10, 1970. He testified
that he signed a union card in January 1970, and spoke to
the employees about the Union, telling them that he would
vote for it. He did not, however, speak to any supervisors
about the Union nor did any supervisors speak to him about
the Union. He was not sure whether he attended any union
meetings. Womble was absent from work on February 9,
1970. When he returned to work on February 10, 1970, Shop
Superintendent Love called to him and told him that he
(Love) was told to let Womble go. He added that Womble
had absented himself the last three Mondays. Womble
asked Love if his father, Lenoris Womble (hereinafter refer-
red to as Womble, Sr.), had not reported his absence for
him, to which Love replied that he had but that Womble
had to call in in person . Womble could remember only two
absences in February and was unable to remember other
absences he had had. He also testified that he had never
been warned about his absences.
Womble, Sr., who had also been employed by the Re-
spondent between June 1969 and May 1970, testified that
he called in on the morning of February 9 and spoke to the
secretary who answered the telephone . According to Wom-
ble, Sr., he told the secretary that he and his son had been
up all night and would not be in to work that day. On the
following day, February 10, 1970, he and his son returned
to work. Shortly after their arrival Johnnie Womble came
to his father and told him he had been fired. Womble, Sr.,
then went to Superintendent Love and complained that his
son had got a "dirty deal," relating that he had called in for
both himself and his son the previous morning, to which
Love replied "Johnnie is supposed to call in himself." Wom-
ble,
Sr.,
also testified that he spoke to
McBurnie,
Respondent's president, and Hudson, Respondent's general
manager, about his son's discharge . They showed Womble,
Sr., his son's absentee record with 10 absences during his
period of employment. Womble , Sr., testified, however, that
his son was not absent 10 times during said period, admit-
ting to knowing of only 2 absences during the last 2 months
of his employment.
Womble, Sr., also testified that about a week before his
son's discharge Superintendent Love asked him, "What is
this about the Union," to which Womble, Sr., replied, "I
signed a card just like everybody else." Love then told him
Because you signed a card don t mean you have to vote for
the Union."
B.
The Case for the Respondent
Respondent General Manager Hudson testified that
Johnnie Womble was discharged for excessive absenteeism.
Timecards were received in evidence purporting to show a
number of absences by that employee . In addition, absentee
reports on said employee covering the period of November
and December 1969 and January and February 1970, total-
ling 10 in number, were received in evidence. Of these, nine
were marked "without permission." Only one, covering an
absence of January 5, 1970 , was noted as `with permission."
Hudson further testified that he knew nothing of Johnnie
Womble's union activity and, although Love had reported
rumors of union activity previously, he first heard of the
Union on February 12, when the Union demanded recogni
lion. He also testified that on February 9 the secretary had
reported that Womble, Sr., had reported absent but made
no mention of Johnnie Womble.
Shop Superintendent Love testified that Johnnie Womble
was under his supervision and was absent some 10 to 12
times during that time. During January and February 1970
alone, Womble had absented himself without permission
four times. He warned Womble of his absences in January
and again on February 3 following an absence on February
2. Womble was the worst offender with respect to absentee-
ism of all the employees . On February 9 when the secretary
reported that Womble, Sr., had called in, he asked the secre-
tary whether Johnnie had called in also or whether Womble,
Sr., had called in for Johnnie as well. The secretary said
"No." Following consultation with Hudson and McBurnie,
it was decided to discharge Johnnie Womble because of his
absences. Up until then no other employee had been dis-
charged for absences but no one had been absent as much
as Johnnie Womble.
With respect to Love's conversation with employee Da-
vis, Love testified that Davis asked him whether he knew
about union activities at the plant and offered to call Love
that evening. Love gave him his telephone number and
Davis telephoned him that evening . He then told Love that
there were some "union affiliations" going on in the shop
and wondered if Love knew about it . Love replied that he
had heard a couple of rumors to which Davis answered
"they are not rumors, it's a fact." Love then asked Davis
"who is more or less stirring it up?" Davis answered "Curtis
Stewart I believe is the main man." Love denied that John-
nie Womble's name was mentioned or that anything was
said about "the little guy on the saw." Love also denied
knowing anything about Johnnis Womble 's union activities
and denied asking Davis how Davis felt about the Union.
With respect to Love's conversation with Womble, Sr.,
Love admitted talking to him after February 12 and asking
Womble, Sr., if he had signed a union card. He also admit-
ted asking Curtis Stewart what he thought about the Union.
Love also testified that different people worked on the
saw in January 1970 because he had to switch personnel
around to man the saw when Johnnie Womble was absent.
One of the employees so transferred to the saw was employ-
ee Larry Walls who is about the same height as Johnnie
Womble. Walls would also work on the saw on occasions
when Johnnie Womble was late in coming to work.
C.
Contentions and Conclusions
Counsel for the General Counsel contends that the reason
given by the Respondent for discharging Johnnie Womble,
excessive absenteeism, was only pretextual. He attacks the
record on which the decision to terminate Womble was
made as "inconsistent and inaccurate." and argues that
Johnnie Womble's discharge 2 weeks after Shop Superin-
tendent Love told employee Davis that he would discharge
"the little boy who ran the saw" as "merely the fulfillment
of said threat."
The timecards received in evidence are obviously inaccu-
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rate and misleading. Thus, the timecard for the week ending
December 7, 1969, and commencing on Monday of that
week is shown bearing the date of Monday November 31,
where it should have shown December 1. The same error
appears for the weeks ending December 14 and 28. Similar-
ly, the timecard for the week ending January 25, 1970,
shows each day of that week commencing with the date of
the preceding day. A similar irregularity appears for the
timecard covering the week ending February 1, 1970.
For the above reasons I place little reliance upon the
timecards received in evidence. I note, however, that these
irregularities were explained by witnesses for the Respon-
dent as having occurred when the plant was experiencing
power failures which, in turn, caused the timeclock to run
irregularly.
Of more pertinence however, are the absentee reports
which were also received in evidence . These reports execu-
ted by Shop Superintendent Love or his foreman were made
out on the day of an employee's absence and prove quite
convincingly that Johnnie Womble was indeed absent 10
times between November 12, 1969, and February 9, 1970,
9 of which absences were marked as "without permission."
These absentee reports are corroborated by the timecards
for the particular dates involved . In addition, I credit the
testimony of Shop Superintendent Love to the effect that he
warned Johnnie Womble about his absences both in Janu-
ary and on February 3, 1969. I cannot, therefore, agree with
counsel for the General Counsel that Respondent s reason
for discharging Johnnie Womble was merely pretextual. He
argues , however, that Womble's union activity was the
cause of his dismissal rather than his absenteeism . He cites
the testimony of employee Davis to the effect that Love
threatened to discharge the "little boy on the saw "-"if he
didn't let up pushinthe Union." Love, however, denied
knowing anything oho hnnie Womble's union activities. It
appears that Womble was not very active in union affairs
having merely signed a union card and talked to some of his
fellow employees about the Union . There is no indication
that he solicited on behalf of the Union or even attended
union meetings. Even assuming, however, that Womble was
active in the Union and that Love knew it , I am not con-
vinced that Love threatened to fire Womble for "pushing
the Union" when he spoke to employee Davis . For one
thing, Johnnie Womble was not mentioned by name. Love
denied saying anything about "a little boy on the saw,"
testifying that he would have no reason or occasion to use
such language, knowing all of the employees by name.
Moreover, if he had used such language, I cannot assume
that he intended Johnnie Womble by that description inas-
much as at least one other employee also matched that
description and operated the saw at that time. The one
employee who was mentioned in Love's conversation with
Davis was Curtis Stewart who acted as observer for the
Union in the election that took place later. Nonetheless, it
does not appear that any disciplinary action was under-
taken by the Respondent with respect to Stewart . Finally,
if Respondent wanted to rid itselfpof Womble because he
was "pushing" the Union as Love allegedly threatened to do
in his conversation with Davis which occurred around Janu-
ary 20., it could and would have done so on February 3
following Womble's unexcused absence on February 2. In-
stead, Womble was merely given a final warning by Love.
It was only after Womble absented himself again on Feb-
ruary 9 that he was discharged.
Nor is this a case of discriminatory treatment. Althou
it is true that Womble was the first employee discharged for
excessive absenteeism, it is also true that his absenteeism
exceeded that of any other employee. There is, therefore, no
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basis for concluding that the Respondent treated like cases
differently, a necessary sine qua non for a finding of discrim-
ination. Frosty Morn Meat Inc. v. N.L.R.B., 296 F.2d 617
(C.A. 5).
I conclude that counsel for the General Counsel has not
sustained his burden of proof to establish that Respondent's
discharge of Johnnie Womble was because of his union
activities and shall therefore recommend the dismissal of
that allegation of the complaint.
With respect to the complaint's allegations that Respon-
dent violated Section 8 (a)(11) of the Act, the record in this
proceeding centers about the conversations between Shop
superintendent Love and employees Davis and Womble,
Sr. According to Davis, Love asked him if he knew who was
pushing the Union and when Davis asked "Don't you
know?, ' Love identified employee Stewart and "the little
boy who ran the Saw" and threatened to fire them, if they
did not "let up." Love admitted asking Davis "who is more
or less stirring it up," but that Davis identified Stewart and
no one else. Otherwise they talked about generalities. Love
also testified that he asked Womble, Sr., if he had signed a
union card and what he thought of the Union . Similarly, he
asked employee Stewart what he thought of the Union. I am
inclined to credit Love's version o these conversations,
finding his presentation of the events straightforward and
candid even when his testimony was not particularly helpful
to his point of view. Accordingly, I conclude and find that
Shop Superintendent Love asked two different employees,
Womble, Sr., and Stewart, how they felt about the Union.
In addition, he asked Womble, Sr., if he had signed a union
card. Finally, in response to a telephone call from employee
Davis informing hun of union activities at the plant and
asking him if he knew about it, Love asked Davis who was
stirring it up.
I am not convinced, however, that such behavior on the
part of Superintendent Love was in violation of Section
8(a)(1) of the Act. The Board has held that:
. interrogation of employees by an employer as to
such matters as their union membership or union activ-
ities, which, when viewed in the context in which the
interrogation occurred, falls short of interference or
coercion, is not unlawful. Blue Flash Express,
109
NLRB 591.
In Blue Flash the Board noted, of course, that the Em-
ployer had given the employees assurances that it would not
resort to economic reprisals . This was not done here. The
question, nevertheless, remains "whether under all the cir-
cumstances the interrogation reasonably attempts to restrain
or interfere with the employees and the exercise of rights
guaranteed by the Act." Blue Flash Express supra . As in the
Blue Flash case, I note that the questioning by Love occur-
red in a background free of employer hostility to union
organization . There were no other unfair labor practices
committed by the Respondent. The interrogation, such as it
was, was not systematic . The questioning of Womble, Sr.,
and Stewart concerning how they felt about the Union was
not coercive and the Board has held that such inquiries are
merely requests for opinions and permissible under the Act.
HowardAero, 119 NLRB 1531 , 1533-34. The casual inquiry
of Love as to whether Womble had signed a union card
carried no implied threats of reprisal nor was his asking
employee Davis who was stirring up the Union , after Davis
had called him and had invited such an inquiry, coercive or
repressive. Viewed in their entirety these instances of inter-
rogation by Love under all the circumstances did not re-
asonably lead the employees involved to believe that
economic reprisals might be visited upon them by the Re-
spondent. I, shall therefore, recommend that the allegations
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of Section 8(axl) violations by Respondent be dismissed.
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
1.
The General Counsel has not sustained his burden of
toto establish that the Respondent violated Section
8(ax3) of the Act when it discharged Johnnie Womble.
2.
The General Counsel has not sustained his burden of
proof to establish that Respondent interfered with, re-
strained, or coerced its employees in the exercise of the
rights guaranteed in Section 7 of the Act , in violation of
Section 8(axl) of the Act.
RECOMMENDED ORDER
On the basis of the foregoing findings of fact and conclu-
sions of law, I recommend that the complaint in this case
be dismissed in its entirety.