256 NLRB 87
Price Pfister, A Div. Of Norris Industries
PRICE PFISTER, A DIVISION OF NORRIS INDUSTRIES
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Price Pfister, a Division of Norris Industries and
Van Storage Drivers, Packers, Warehousemen
& Helpers Local 389, International Brotherhood
of Teamsters, Chauffeurs, Warehousemen and
Helpers of America. Case 31-CA-9805
May 20, 1981
DECISION AND ORDER
On November
13,
1980, Administrative Law
Judge David P. McDonald issued the attached De-
cision in this proceeding. Thereafter, the General
Counsel filed exceptions and a supporting brief.
The Board has considered the record and the at-
tached Decision in light of the exceptions and brief
and has decided to affirm the rulings, findings,'
and conclusions of the Administrative Law Judge
and to adopt his recommended Order.
ORDER
Pursuant to Section 10(c) of the National Labor
Relations Act, as amended, the National Labor Re-
lations Board adopts as its Order the recommended
Order of the
Administrative Law Judge and
hereby orders that the Respondent, Price Pfister, a
division of Norris Industries, Pacoima, California,
its officers, agents, successors, and assigns, shall
take the action set forth in the said recommended
Order, except that the attached notice is substituted
for that of the Administrative Law Judge.
MEMBER JENKINS, dissenting in part:
For the reasons fully explicated in my dissenting
opinion in Kraft Foods, Inc., 2 I would provide a
"make whole" remedy for employee Duncan, the
object of Respondent's unfair labor practice.
i In the absence of exceptions thereto, we adopt proforma. the Admin-
istrative Law Judge's discussion and finding that Respondent violated
Sec. 8(a)(1) (of the Act by refusing employee Marie Duncan's request for
a union representative at a meeting between Duncan and officials of Re-
spondent
2 251 NLRB 598 (1980)
APPENDIX
NOTICE To EMPLOYEES
POSTED BY ORDER OF THE
NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD
An Agency of the United States Government
WE WILL NOT require any employee to take
part in an investigatory interview where the
employee has reasonable grounds to believe
that the matter to be discussed may result in
his or her being the subject of disciplinary
action and where we have ignored, denied, or
refused any request by him or her to have
union representation.
256 NLRB No. 21
WE WILL NOT in any like or related manner
interfere with, restrain, or coerce employees in
the exercise of the rights guaranteed them by
Section 7 of the National Labor Relations Act,
as amended.
PRICE
PFISTER,
A
DIVISION
OF
NORRIS INDUSTRIES
DECISION
STATEMENT OF THE CASE
DAVID P. McDONALD, Administrative Law Judge:
This case was heard before me in Los Angeles, Califor-
nia, on September 15, 1980,1 pursuant to a complaint
issued by the Regional Director for the National Labor
Relations Board for Region 31 on April 18, 1980, which
is based upon a charge filed by Van Storage Drivers,
Packers, Warehousemen & Helpers Local 389, Interna-
tional
Brotherhood
of
Teamsters,
Chauffeurs,
Warehousemen & Helpers of America (herein called the
Union), on February 20, 1980. The complaint alleges that
Price Pfister, a Division of Norris Industries (herein
called Respondent), has engaged in certain violations of
Section 8(a)(1) of the National Labor Relations Act, as
amended (herein called the Act).
Issues
The primary issue herein is whether or not Respond-
ent violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act by conducting an
interview with Marie Duncan after Respondent had
denied Duncan's request to have her union representative
present. This meeting resulted in a disciplinary suspen-
sion of Duncan.
Although
Respondent
admits
the
suspension
of
Duncan and the exclusion of the requested union repre-
sentative from the disciplinary meeting, it denies that its
actions were in violation of the Act. Respondent argues
that the final meeting was held to advise Duncan of its
decision to suspend her and not to interrogate or inter-
view her.
All parties were given full opportunity to participate,
to introduce relevant evidence, to examine and cross-ex-
amine witnesses, to argue orally, and to file briefs. Briefs,
which have been carefully considered, were filed on
behalf of the parties.
Upon the entire record of the case, and from my ob-
servation of the witnesses and their demeanor, I make
the following:
FINDINGS Or: FACT
I. RESPONI)ENT'S BUSINESS
Respondent admits that it is a California corporation
engaged in the manufacture of brass plumbing fixtures
with an office and principal place of business located in
Pacoima, California. It further admits that during the
past calendar year, in the course and conduct of its busi-
I All dates herein refer to 1980 unless otherwise indicated
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ness operations, it has sold and shipped goods and mate-
rials valued in excess of $50,000 to customers outside the
State of California. Accordingly, it admits, and I find,
that it is an employer engaged in commerce and in a
business affecting commerce within the meaning of Sec-
tion 2(2), (6), and (7) of the Act.
II1. THE LABOR ORGANIZATION INVOLVED
Respondent admits and I find that Van Storage Driv-
ers, Packers, Warehousemen & Helpers Local 389, Inter-
national Brotherhood of Teamsters, Chauffeurs, Ware-
housemen & Helpers of America, is a labor organization
within the meaning of Section 2(5) of the Act.
111. THE ALLEGED UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES
In the process of manufacturing plumbing fixtures, Re-
spondent utilizes expeditors to place racks on one of four
conveyor lines. These racks weigh 40 to 50 pounds each.
As the racks progress down the line, production opera-
tors install various parts before the rack enters a plating
tank.
Marie Duncan was employed as one of the production
operators. On February 19, Javier Godinez, the plating
leadman, observed her remove a rack from the plating
line. At 11:15 a.m., he reported this incident to Thomas
Evans, the acting supervisor. Evans instructed Godinez
to tell Duncan not to remove these racks again. As Go-
dinez spoke to her she became very loud and screamed
that he did not know what he was talking about. At this
point, Evans invited them both into his office for a con-
ference. Ed Krib, a management trainee, was also pres-
ent. As she entered the office, Evans asked her if she had
removed the rack. Again she became excited and com-
plained she had been unfairly treated by the expeditors.
Marie was convinced that the expeditors were deliberate-
ly adding more racks to her line to force her to work
more than the other employees. She had previously
voiced this same complaint and Evans had investigated.
He explained to her that he had carefully watched the
expeditors and was convinced that they were distributing
the work fairly. By removing a rack from the production
line, she was able to avoid the additional work of install-
ing parts on that particular rack.
Evans then explained to her that he even found the
racks to be very heavy (40 to 50 pounds) and that he
was concerned that she would injure herself or her
fellow employees by lifting them off the production line.
Their recollection of the conversation which followed
differed slightly.
Duncan recalled that she answered, "I am just as
strong as you is." She then suggested that Respondent
question Raymond, an expeditor. Evans indicated that
Respondent was going to call Raymond in later. Duncan
then looked at him and said, "All you son-of-a-bitches is
full of shit." She walked out of the office and then re-
turned a minute later, pointing her finger at Evans and
remarking, "Don't ever call me in any more unless you
know what you are talking about."
Evans testified that, after Duncan told him she was a
lot stronger than he, he replied, "Well, regardless, if it
continues, I am going to have to take some sort of
action." She became very upset and yelled, "You guys
don't know what in the fuck you are doing! You guys
don't know what you are doing. You don't watch those
guys closely enough. They are a lot smarter than you
think. They know when you are watching them and
trying to catch them cheating." She walked out of the
office but returned immediately and stated, "I know you
don't like me, and don't ever call me into this office
again. You guys don't know what you are talking
about."
At the conclusion of this conversation, Evans immedi-
ately looked for Paul Williams, Respondent's personnel
service manager. After listening to Evans relate the inci-
dent, Williams said, "Well, we are going to have to sus-
pend her." The two men then found Norbert Toby, Re-
spondent's superintendent of the processing department.
After listening to the facts surrounding Duncan's con-
duct, Toby decided that she should be suspended. He
testified that his decision was based on very firm compa-
ny policy which required automatic suspension for disre-
garding safety rules and regulations. The racks weighed
between 40 and 70 pounds, depending on the number of
parts that had been attached. Toby instructed Evans to
bring Duncan to his office in order to inform her of the
suspension.
When Evans and Duncan arrived in Toby's office, no
one else was present. She ignored Evans' order to
remain in the office. A short time later, she returned
with her union steward, Sophia Hernandez. Hernandez
left when she was told by Williams that it was not neces-
sary for her to be present at this particular meeting.
Duncan complained that she felt she had a right to have
to steward present at the meeting.
Williams then said, "Marie, I understand that you have
had some trouble in the department this morning."
Duncan was still angry and she began to relate the prob-
lems she had experienced with the expeditor. She was
convinced they were discriminating against her by plac-
ing more work on her plating line. As a consequence,
she took it upon herself to remove a rack and lessen her
workload. When she calmed down, Williams attempted
to ask her if she recognized Evans as her supervisor. She
seemed to ignore or evade the question and continued to
state that Evans did not know what he was doing. Then
she responded, "I don't know what Tom is."
Williams testified that he asked the question concern-
ing her recognition of Evans as a supervisor in order to
lay the groundwork for the suspension by showing that
Evans had given her an order that she had refused to
obey. He did not ask her whether she was guilty of any
violation of the plant rules. Williams then informed her
that she was suspended and directed Evans to escort her
from the plant. She became incensed and stated that she
did not need an escort. It was explained to her that she
had a choice between Evans as an escort or a security
guard.
Duncan's recollection of the event was substantially
similar to Williams' testimony except she felt he had also
asked her what type of profane language she had used in
reference to Evans. Duncan also recalled Williams's
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asking her if she had removed the rack from the produc-
tion line.
The suspension was for 2 days, February 20 and 21.
She was recalled and returned to work on Friday, Feb-
ruary 22.
IV. ANALYSIS
In N.L.R.B. v. Weingarten, Inc., 420 U.S. 251 (1975),
the United States Supreme Court held that an employer
violated Section 8(a)(l) of the Act by denying an em-
ployee's request that a union representative be present at
an investigatory interview which the employee reason-
ably believes might result in disciplinary action. The
Board concluded that the Supreme Court's decision in
Weingarten applied to any interview, whether labeled in-
vestigatory or disciplinary, so long as the employee rea-
sonably believes the interview may result in disciplinary
action. Certified Grocers of California, Ltd., 227 NLRB
1211 (1977), enforcement denied 587 F.2d 449 (9th Cir.
1978). Subsequently, the Board overruled, in part, its
Certified Grocers decision in Baton Rouge Water Works
Company, 246 NLRB 995 (1979), Thus, the Board held
that the right to representation under Weingarten does
not extend to those employer-employee meetings where
the sole purpose is the imposition of predetermined disci-
pline 246 NLRB at 997:
[A]s long as the employer has reached a final, bind-
ing decision to impose certain discipline on the em-
ployee prior to the interview, based on facts and
evidence obtained prior to the interview, no Section
7 right to union representation exists under Weingar-
ten when the employer meets with the employee
simply to inform him of, or impose, that previously
determined discipline.
Respondent contends that the decision to suspend
Duncan was made prior to the meeting in which she re-
quested the assistance of a union representative, and that
the sole purpose of the meeting was to inform her of that
decision. Thus, it argues that the interview was not an
investigatory meeting
involving
possible disciplinary
action since the disciplinary action had been predeter-
mined and was merely being carried out. The credible
testimony supports Respondent's contention that Wil-
liams and Toby had arrived at their decision to suspend
Duncan before they met with her. The meeting was
called for the sole purpose of informing her of their deci-
sion and not to continue the investigation. If Respondent
had limited its comments to simply informing Duncan of
its decision to suspend her, then there would not be a
violation of the Act. However, Williams' initial comment
that he understood she had some trouble in the depart-
ment quickly transformed the session into an investiga-
tory interview. This broad general comment elicited a
response from her which further confirmed that she had,
in fact, removed the racks and disobeyed a supervisor's
order. Under these circumstances, I find that her request
for union representation during the interview was an ex-
ercise of her Section 7 rights as enunciated by the Su-
preme Court in N.L.R.B. v. J. Weingarten, Inc., 420 U.S.
251. When Respondent denied her request it violated
Section 8(a)(1) of the Act.
In a recent case, Kraft Foods, Inc., 251 NLRB 598
(1980), the Board held that, where an investigatory inter-
view in violation of Weingarten, supra, has occurred and
the General Counsel shows that an employee was disci-
plined or discharged for conduct which was the subject
of the interview, then a reinstatement and backpay order
is appropriate unless Respondent can sustain its burden
of showing that its decision to discipline or discharge
that employee was not based on information which it ob-
tained during the interview.
In the present case, the facts clearly show that Re-
spondent relied solely on information obtained prior to
the unlawful interview rather than anything obtained at
the meeting. Therefore, for the above-stated reasons, I
shall not recommend that Respondent be required to
give Duncan backpay for the period of her suspension,
but, to remedy the 8(a)(l) violation, I shall order it to
cease and desist from engaging in the unfair labor prac-
tice found herein and to post the appropriate notice.
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
1. Price Pfister, a Division of Norris Industries, is an
employer within the meaning of Section 2(2) of the Act,
engaged in commerce and in a business affecting com-
merce within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the
Act.
2. The Union is a labor organization within the mean-
ing of Section 2(5) of the Act.
3. By ignoring Marie Duncan's request to have union
representation in an investigatory interview which she
reasonably believed might result in disciplinary action
against her, Respondent violated Section 8(a)(1) of the
Act.
4. The aforesaid unfair labor practice affects commerce
within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act.
THE REMEDY
Having found that the Respondent has engaged in an
unfair labor practice, I find it necessary to order Re-
spondent to cease and desist therefrom and to take cer-
tain affirmative action designed to effectuate the policies
of the Act.
Upon the foregoing findings of fact, conclusions of
law, and the entire record, and pursuant to Section 10(c)
of the Act, I hereby issue the following recommended:
ORDER2
The Respondent, Price Pfister, a Division of Norris In-
dustries, Pacoima, California, its officers, agents, succes-
sors, and assigns, shall:
1. Cease and desist from:
(a) Requiring any employee to take part in an investi-
gatory interview where the employee has reasonable
2 In the event no exceptions are filed as provided by Sec 102.46 of the
Rules and Regulations of the National Labor Relations Board, the find-
ings, conclusions. and recommended Order herein shall, as provided in
Sec. 102 48 of the Rules and Regulations, be adopted by the Board and
become its findings. conclusions, and Order. and all objections thereto
shall be deemed
aived for all purposes
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grounds to believe that the matter to be discussed may
result in his or her being the subject of disciplinary
action and where Respondent has ignored, denied, or re-
fused any request by him or her to have union represen-
tation.
(b) In any like or related manner interfering with, re-
straining, or coercing employees in the exercise of the
rights guaranteed them by Section 7 of the Act.
2. Take the following affirmative action necessary to
effectuate the policies of the Act:
(a) Post at Respondent's principal place of business in
Pacoima,
California,
copies of the attached notice
marked "Appendix."3
Copies of said notice, on forms
I In the event that this Order is enforced by a Judgment of a United
States Court of Appeals, the words in the notice reading "Posted by
provided by the Regional Director for Region 31, after
being duly signed by Respondent's representative, shall
be posted by Respondent
immediately upon receipt
thereof, and be maintained by it for 60 consecutive days
thereafter, in conspicuous places, including all places
where notices to employees are customarily posted. Rea-
sonable steps shall be taken by Respondent to insure that
said notices are not altered, defaced, or covered by any
other material.
(b) Notify the Regional Director for Region 31, in
writing, within 20 days from the date of this Order, what
steps Respondent has taken to comply herewith.
Order of the National Labor Relations Board" shall read "Posted Pursu-
ant to a Judgment of the United States Court of Appeals Enforcing an
Order of the National Labor Relations Board."