260 NLRB 221
United States Postal Service
UNI TED STATES POSTAl SERVICE
United States Postal Service and Barbara Y. Frost.
Case 5-CA-11972(P)
February 12, 1982
DECISION AND ORDER
BY MENIBFI RS FANNING, JENKINS, ANt)
ZIMMN
IRMAN
On July 22, 1981, Administrative Law Judge
Melvin J. Welles issued the attached Decision in
this proceeding. Thereafter, the General Counsel
filed exceptions and a supporting brief, and Re-
spondent filed a cross-exception and a supporting
brief.
Pursuant to the provisions of Section 3(b) of the
National Labor Relations Act, as amended, the Na-
tional Labor Relations Board has delegated its au-
thority in this proceeding to a three-member panel.
The Board has considered the record and the at-
tached Decision in light of the exceptions and
briefs and has decided to affirm the rulings, find-
ings,1
and conclusions of the Administrative Law
Judge and to adopt his recommended Order.
ORDER
Pursuant to Section 10(c) of the National Labor
Relations Act, as amended, the National Labor Re-
lations Board adopts as its Order the recommended
Order of the
Administrative
Law Judge
and
hereby orders that the Respondent, United States
Postal
Service,
Washington,
D.C.,
its officers,
agents, successors, and assigns, shall take the action
set forth in the said recommended Order, except
that the attached notice is substituted for that of
the Administrative Law Judge.
MEMBER JENKINS, dissenting in part:
I join the majority in finding that Respondent
violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act by requiring
Barbara Frost to participate in an investigatory in-
terview that she reasonably believed might result in
disciplinary action and by failing to honor her re-
quest to have a union representative present. How-
ever, for the reasons stated in my dissent in Kraft
Foods, Inc., 251 NLRB 598, 599 (1980), I would
grant her a full make-whole remedy since an un-
lawful interview has occurred and she has been dis-
ciplined for conduct which was the subject of the
unlawful interview.
i Respondent has excepted to certain credibility findings made hb the
Administrative Law Judge II is the HBoard's established policyr
not to
overrule an administrative law judge's resolutions with respect to credi-
bility unless the clear preponderance of all of the relevant evidence con-
vinces us that the resolutions are incorrect Standard Dry Wall Product,s.
Inc., 91 NLRB 544 (1950), enfd
188 F2d 362 (3d Cir
1951) We have
carefully examined the record and find no basis for reversing his findings.
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APPENDIX
NoTric
To EMPI OYEF:S
POSTED) BY ORDER OF I HE
NATIONAl. LABOR RFI.ATIONS BOARD
An Agency of the United States Government
WE Wit.L. NOT require any employee to take
part in an investigatory interview where the
employee has reasonable grounds to believe
that the matter to be discussed may result in
disciplinary action and where we have ig-
nored, denied, or refused any request by the
employee to have union representation.
WE WIL_. NOT in any like or related manner
interfere with, restrain, or coerce employees in
the exercise of the rights guaranteed them by
Section 7 of the National Labor Relations Act,
as amended.
UNITI I) STATES POSTAl
SERVICE
DECISION
STATEMENT OF THE CASE
MEI. VIN J. WEII.I.S, Administrative Law Judge: This
case was heard in Washington, D.C., on September 15,
1980, based on a charge filed February 26, 1980, and a
complaint issued on April 10, 1980, and amended June 2,
1980. The complaint alleges that Respondent violated
Section 8(a)(1) of the Act by failing to permit the Charg-
ing Party, Barbara Y. Frost, to have a union representa-
tive present during an interview where she could reason-
ably believe that disciplinary action would be involved
and by suspending the Charging Party as a result of the
interview.
Upon the entire record in the case, including my ob-
servation of the witnesses and my consideration of the
briefs, I make the following:
FINDINGS OF FACT
I. TH
HBUSINESS OF THE EMPIOYER AND THI
LABOR
ORGANIZATION INVOLVI D
The Respondent, United States Postal Service, is an in-
dependent
establishment
of the Government of the
United States, which provides postal service throughout
the United States. The Board derives its jurisdiction over
Respondent in this matter from section 1209 of the Postal
Reorganization Act. I find that it is an employer engaged
in commerce within the meaning of Section 2(2), (6) and
(7) of the Act. Respondent admits, and I find, that the
American Postal Workers Union, AFL-CIO, is a labor
organization within the meaning of Section 2(5) of the
Act.
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II. THIE Al I.EGi)
UNFAIR lABOR PRACTIICIS
A. The Contentions
The complaint alleges that Respondent refused em-
ployee Barbara Frost's request to have a union shop ste-
ward present at an interview that she reasonably be-
lieved would lead to discipline, thereafter suspended
Frost for 7 days, and thereby violated Section 8(a)(1) of
the Act. Respondent claims that Frost waived her right
to a shop steward's presence, that, in any event, the "in-
terview" was in fact an extension of a discussion on the
work floor, and was not one likely to lead to disciplinary
action. Respondent also contends that the Board should
stay its hand because Frost had filed a grievance which
had already been processed through the third step of Re-
spondent's grievance procedure, citing the Board's Dubo
Manufacturing Corporation case, 142 NLRB 431 (1963).
Finally, Respondent contends that in the circumstances
of this case, even if it should be found that Frost's rights
were violated, Respondent should not be ordered to pay
any backpay to Frost.
B. The Facts
With one critical exception, the underlying facts are
not in serious dispute. On February 4, 1980, Frost was
assigned to work on a particular machine (a letter sorter)
at the postal facility. She came to the machine carrying a
large container of water. Foreman Patrick McCoy told
her she could not place the container on the machine.
Frost replied that she needed to drink seven or eight
glasses of water a day for medical reasons. Acting Gen-
eral Foreman Robert Scott then joined the discussion,
apparently at McCoy's behest, with Foreman Robinson
appearing during its course. Scott affirmed that Frost
could not have the water on the machine. Scott then said
he was going to get the tour director. Frost said, "If you
are going to get all these people, then I'll need a shop
steward." Scott, according to Frost, did not reply. He
then left and returned with Mail Processing Director
Arthur Butler and another supervisor named Kirkman.
The group proceeded toward the tour superintendent's
office. On the way there, Frost said to Butler, "If I'm
going to the Tour Director's office, you know, I need a
shop steward." He replied, according to Frost, that he
"didn't know anything."
Butler, who on that day was the highest ranking offi-
cial on the scene, testified that he was walking past the
LSM operation and noticed Frost and Scott in conversa-
tion. After ascertaining from Scott the nature of the
problem, and that Scott had told Frost to go to the tour
superintendent's office, Frost said that she wanted a shop
steward-that she was not going to the tour superinten-
dent's office without a shop steward. Butler "then in-
structed Mr. Scott to get her a shop steward, and ad-
vised Ms. Frost at the same time that bringing food or
beverages or any extraneous matter on the workroom
floor was a violation of Postal Rules of Conduct." Butler
then left the scene, and was not a witness to any of the
other events of that day.
Donald Sink, the "Tour Superintendent" that day, met
with Scott and Frost at the tour director's office. Frost
again asked for a shop steward but Sink said she did not
need a shop steward, after Scott asked whether he
should get one. Sink asked Frost what the problem was.
She said she had no problem, just a "misunderstanding,"
and explained the situation as she had earlier on the
floor. After some further discussion between Frost and
Sink, he asked her if she were going back to work. She
replied no, that she was going home. He said he could
not approve any leave. Frost left, signing out on emer-
gency annual leave. On her way out, Frost spoke to a
Ms. Dawkins, telling her what had occurred. Dawkins
then contacted Roosevelt Odom, executive vice presi-
dent of the Union. Odom then spoke with Sink and
Scott, with nothing said of any significance or material-
ity here.
Subsequently, on March 21, 1980, Frost received a 7-
day suspension for "failure to follow instructions." Prior
to the suspension, reports had been written by both Scott
and McCoy concerning the February 21 incident. With
the ultimate concurrence of both Sink and McCoy, the
suspension took place as noted.
On March 31, 1980, the Union filed a grievance on
Frost's behalf. It was denied on September 8, 1980, at
the third step. There is a sharp conflict between Frost's
and Sink's versions of what occurred on February 21
when Frost and Scott came to the tour superintendent's
office. Sink testified that when Frost entered the office
"she was murmuring something. I don't know exactly
what she was saying." When he "started to instruct-
inform Ms. Frost, I should say, that Mr. Scott had ad-
vised me of the situation on the floor, and I really
couldn't get even complete sentences out before she
would break in. In one instance she broke in and said, I
want a shop steward." Sink replied, "That's fine. You sit
down. We will get a shop steward." Frost then said, ac-
cording to Sink, that she was not waiting for anybody.
Sink's testimony continues by describing his further con-
versation with Frost, including asking her a number of
questions concerning the incident.
Scott, the only other person present at the office with
Frost and Sink, testified that Frost first "said something
about getting a shop steward" as they were walking
down the aisle going toward the tour superintendent's
office, and that he told her he would get her a steward
later. Scott added that when Butler and Kirkman walked
by, Frost "blurted out something to Mr. Butler about a
shop steward. He asked me-I think he asked me if I
was going to get her a shop steward, and I said I would
get her a shop steward later." Scott also testified that
Frost "might have said something about a shop steward.
I can't remember exactly," in the course of the meeting
with him and Sink. Although specifically asked, Scott
did not recall Sink saying anything about a shop steward,
nor did he recall if Sink said she did not need a shop ste-
ward.
Discussion
Despite the differing version of exactly what took
place on February 21, two facts are abundantly clear.
Frost did ask for a shop steward at each step along the
path from her work station to the tour superintendent's
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office, and
of each
management
official
involved.
Second, she never did get a shop steward. Without
regard then, to the difference between Frost's and Sink's
testimony set forth above, and considering the length of
time between her initial request for a shop steward and
her ultimate leaving the tour superintendent's office, her
right to a steward had already fully "matured." Compare
Roadway Express. Inc., 246 NLRB 1127 (1979). Butler
had told Scott to get a shop steward, and no reason ap-
pears why at least, at that point, Frost's request could
not have been honored. Butler, having instructed Scott
to get Frost a shop steward, emphasizes the failure to
provide one, rather than a failure on Frost's part to wait
for one, and that, at least in Butler's view, the situation
called for a shop steward's presence when so requested
by Frost.
Indeed, the failure of Scott to corroborate Sink's testi-
mony suggests that Frost's version of what occurred is
the more credible one. It seems unlikely that Frost, after
insisting upon and requesting a union steward time and
again, would suddenly decide she no longer wanted one.
Even if she had, perhaps, lost patience, and decided to
leave, she had already, as shown above, been denied her
right to have the steward present, as a factual matter.
That the right existed as a legal matter is also apparent
on the facts of this case. Respondent, as noted earlier,
claims that management was merely moving "shop talk"
from the working floor to the office, and was therefore
"clearly within its rights in ordering her to report to the
Tour Superintendent's office." I agree that Respondent,
in all the circumstances, clearly had a right to direct
Frost to the office. This is not to say, however, that the
employee's right to have a union representative disap-
pears.
Roadway Express,
Inc..
supra, and
compare
Chrysler Corporation, 241 NLRB 1050 (1979).
Scott testified that he asked Frost to report to the tour
superintendent's office so that "maybe he could reason
with her; or, if not, take whatever action he felt neces-
sary." Frost had received a 30-day suspension in 1978
and, most significantly, none of the management person-
nel involved ever informed her that the meeting would
have an adverse effect upon her, that it was not for disci-
plinary purposes. Although I conclude below that the
suspension received by Frost was not a result of the in-
terview, this does not mean that she did not or could not
reasonably have feared that discipline might result.
Respondent's contention that this case should be de-
ferred under Dubo, supra, is without merit. As stated by
the Board in Youngstown Sheet and Tube Company, 235
NLRB 572, 575 (1978), "[T]he matter has not been sub-
mitted to arbitration and there is no particular reason to
think that it would be." Here, as in Youngstown, the
Charging Party's decision to file charges with the Board
indicates a choice of ". . . this forum, rather than the ar-
bitral process, for ultimate resolution of [the] dispute."
The present charge was, indeed, filed more than a month
before the grievance was filed. I conclude, therefore,
I Butler's testimony that if Frost "wanted to have a slteard present at
the meeting belween she and management it was quite all right wuilh me
and they should get it," in no way militates against the foregoing conclu-
sion.
that deferral to the arbitral process is neither necessary
nor warranted here.
I find, however, that Respondent has met the burden
of showing that the decision to discipline Frost was not
based on any information obtained at the interview. Kraft
Foods. Inc., 251 NLRB 598 (1980). Even though the sus-
pension did not occur until after the interview, no new
facts were elicited or developed therein. The General
Counsel asserts in his brief that Sink testified that he
relied on the interview in approving the recommendation
for discipline made by Scott and McCoy. Sink testified
that he made his recommendation "on a review of the
statements from Mr. McCoy and Mr. Scott." The fol-
lowing colloquy then took place between counsel for the
General Counsel and Sink:
Q . . . . I wonder if you could explain in some
detail what your recommendation was based on.
A. On a review of the statements from Mr.
McCoy and Mr. Scott.
Q. You attached no weight to the interview that
was held in your office with Ms. Frost?
A. Not other than she was uncooperative, and
there was no statement in there-there would nor-
mally be a statement from the employee as to
why--no.
Q. At least to the extent she was uncooperative,
you did take that into account. Isn't that correct?
A. I am going to have to think about it. (Witness
pauses.) No, I don't believe so.
Q. You don't believe you took it into account at
all?
A. No.
Q. So you reached your decision entirely on the
basis of the written reports that were written by
Mr. McCoy and Mr. Scott?
A. Yes, I did.
I am satisfied that Sink was honestly attempting to
give his motivation for accepting the recommendation.
In his remark "not other than she was uncooperative," I
believe he was referring to the fact that she advanced no
reason beyond what was already quite evident from the
previous floor discussions. But the fact that her failure to
exculpate herself with some acceptable reason occurred
at the interview does not mean that the discipline in any
way resulted therefrom. Accordingly, I shall not recom-
mend any make-whole remedy herein.
CONCI.USION OF LAW
Respondent, by requiring an employee to take part in
an investigatory interview where the employee had rea-
sonable grounds to believe that the matter to be dis-
cussed might result in her being the subject of disciplin-
ary action and by failing to honor her request to have a
union representative present, has engaged in unfair labor
practices affecting commerce within the meaning of Sec-
tion 8(a)(I) and Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act.
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THE
REMI-DY
I shall recommend that Respondent cease and desist
from its unfair labor practices and take certain affirma-
tive action designed to effectuate the policies of the Act.
Upon the foregoing findings of fact, conclusions of
law, and the entire record, and pursuant to Section 10(c)
of the Act, I hereby issue the following recommended:
ORDER 2
The Respondent, United States Postal Service, Wash-
ington, D.C., its officers, agents, successors, and assigns,
shall:
1. Cease and desist from:
(a) Requiring employees to take part in an investiga-
tory
interview where
the employee
has reasonable
grounds to believe that the matter to be discussed may
result in disciplinary action and where Respondent has
ignored, denied, or refused the employee's request to
have union representation.
InI the event no exceptions are filed as proxided by Sec 1012 46 oi the
Rules and Regulations of the National I.abor Relations Board, the fintl-
ings, conclusions. and recommenlded Order herein shall. as provided in
Sec. 102.48 of the Rules and Regualtion,l
hbe adopted by the loard and
become its findings. colclusilns
iand O(rdcl and all obJeionis theretl
shall he deemed wsaised fior all purposes
(b) In any like or related manner interfering with, re-
straining, or coercing employees in the exercise of the
rights guaranteed them by Section 7 of the Act.
2. Take the following affirmative action necessary to
effectuate the policies of the Act:
(a) Post at Respondent's postal facility in Washington,
D.C., copies of the attached notice marked "Appendix.":'
Copies of said notice, on forms provided by the Regional
Director for Region 5, after being duly signed by Re-
spondent's representative, shall be posted by Respondent
immediately upon receipt thereof, and be maintained by
it for 60 consecutive days thereafter, in conspicuous
places, including all places where notices to employees
are customarily posted. Reasonable steps shall be taken
by Respondent to insure that said notices are not altered,
defaced, or covered by any other material.
(b) Notify the Regional Director for Region 5, in writ-
ing, within 20 days from the date of this Order, what
steps the Respondent has taken to comply herewith.
:' In the vcenit
hal this Order is crifrrred by a Judgment iof
a United
States Court of Appeals, Ihe Hwords in the noutice reading "Posted by
()rder (of the Natilonal I habor Relatiorns Blloard" sh;ll reatd Posted I'ursu-
a.nl to a Jludgnlent of the IUnited States Court of Appeals Enfoirc ing ani
()rder of the National. L abhor Relations Board
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