264 NLRB 329
Southwestern Bell Telephone Company
SOUTHWESTERN BELL TELEPHONE COMPANY
Southwestern Bell Telephone Company and Commu-
nications Workers of America, Local 12222,
AFL-CIO. Case 23-CA-7684
September 29, 1982
DECISION AND ORDER
BY CHAIRMAN VAN DE WATER AND
MEMBERS JENKINS AND HUNTER
On September 17,
1980, Administrative Law
Judge James M. Kennedy issued the attached Deci-
sion in this proceeding. Thereafter, the General
Counsel filed exceptions and a supporting brief and
the Respondent filed a brief in opposition to the
General Counsel's exceptions.
Pursuant to the provisions of Section 3(b) of the
National Labor Relations Act, as amended, the Na-
tional Labor Relations Board has delegated its au-
thority in this proceeding to a three-member panel.
The Board has considered the record and the at-
tached Decision in light of the exceptions and
briefs and has decided to affirm the rulings, find-
ings, and conclusions' of the Administrative Law
Judge and to adopt his recommended Order.
ORDER
Pursuant to Section 10(c) of the National Labor
Relations Act, as amended, the National Labor Re-
lations Board adopts as its Order the recommended
Order of the
Administrative Law Judge and
hereby orders that the complaint be, and it hereby
is, dismissed in its entirety.
MlEMBER JENKINS,
dissenting:
Contrary to my colleagues, I would not affirm
the Administrative Law Judge's finding that Re-
spondent did not unlawfully deny employee James
Robinson his right to consult with his union repre-
sentative prior to his attendance at an investigatory
interview. Rather, I would remand this proceeding
to the Administrative Law Judge for credibility
resolutions of conflicting testimony.
Member Hunter agrees that the complaint should be dismissed in its
entirety. On the issue of Robinson's right to consult with his steward
prior to the investigatory interview in question, however, Member
Hunter would dismiss the complaint for the reasons set forth in his dis-
seiltinlg opinion in Pacific Telephone and Telegraph Company, 262 NLRB
127 (1982).
Contrary to his dissenting colleague, Chairman Van de Water finds
that no useful purpose would be served by remanding this case to the
Administrative Law Judge because, in his view, it is implicit in the deci-
sion that Respondent did not prohibit Robinson from consulting with his
steward prior to the commencement of the interview. Thus, to engage in
the delay and expense of a remand only to have the Administrative Law
Judge make his implicit findings explicit is unwarranted.
264 NL.RB No. 67
The relevant evidence concerning this allega-
tion2 is as follows. On July 10, 1979, 3 Robinson
was involved in a minor traffic accident while driv-
ing a company-owned vehicle. Robinson recorded
the incident in his "accident book" and, the follow-
ing day, submitted an accident report to his super-
visor, Perry Curry. Sometime thereafter, on either
the same day or on July 12, Robinson was asked to
report to Charles Steubing, Respondent's district
manager for installation and repair. At the same
time, Steubing advised chief union steward John
Forbes and district steward Stanley Millican that
he (Steubing) needed them for a meeting. Robin-
son, Forbes, and Millican testified that they had no
opportunity to confer prior to the commencement
of the meeting and did not do so. Respondent's in-
stallation manager, Robert Grenwelge, Steubing,
and Curry testified that Robinson conferred with
his stewards for approximately 30 minutes prior to
the meeting. The Administrative Law Judge did
not resolve this credibility conflict. In any event,
the meeting began by Steubing announcing that the
purpose of the meeting was to investigate Robin-
son's accident. Millican immediately asked Steub-
ing for a few minutes to talk to Robinson about the
incident. Steubing's response was the subject of
conflicting
testimony.
Robinson
testified
that
Steubing said it was his meeting, he wanted to pro-
ceed, he had better things to do, and "let's get on
with the meeting." Millican and Forbes corroborat-
ed Robinson's testimony, and stated that Robinson
assented to Steubing's statement by nodding his
head. Steubing testified that he responded to Milli-
can's request by stating, "Stan, unless it is impor-
tant, let's get started. You are already 15 minutes
late.... Let's get started unless it is something
important." Steubing further testified that Millican
replied, "Okay." Grenwelge and Curry corroborat-
ed Steubing's version of the events.
Based on the foregoing, the Administrative Law
Judge dismissed the complaint without resolving
the conflicting testimony. In doing so, he found
that, even under the Union's version of events,
Steubing did not refuse the stewards a preinterview
conference
with Robinson.
The Administrative
Law Judge reasoned that "Steubing never said
'no,"' and Millican, rather than insisting on the
prior consultation, acceded to Steubing's "request"
to proceed. I disagree.
In order to find a violation, the Administrative
Law Judge apparently would require either that
2 No exceptions were filed to the Administrative Law Judge's dismiss-
al of the allegation that Respondent unlawfully deprived Robinson of
union representation by telling his steward to cease participating in the
interview.
3 Unless otherwise noted, all dates are in 1979.
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Steubing answer with a flat "no" or that the Union
insist on its right to prior consultation over Steub-
ing's objections. I believe that the latter require-
ment ignores the realities of industrial life, while
the first simply is preposterous. Under the Union's
version of events, Respondent answered the re-
quest for prior consultation by expressing a desire
to proceed without delay and citing other matters
requiring attention. In my opinion, this is equiva-
lent to a flat "no." While the Union could have in-
sisted on a prior consultation, to do so in the face
of Steubing's expressed desire would have annoyed
the very management representative who was to
judge the employee and determine his discipline. I
would not require a union or employee to so preju-
dice its presentation.
However, without credibility findings resolving
just what was stated at the meeting concerning the
Union's request for prior consultation and further
resolving whether the Union in fact did have an
opportunity for prior consultation before the meet-
ing commenced, I am unable to render an informed
decision in this matter.4
Accordingly, I would
remand the proceeding to the Administrative Law
Judge for the above-mentioned credibility resolu-
tions and such supplementary findings and recom-
mendations as are appropriate.
4 I am bamed by the Chairman's finding in fn. I of the majority opill-
ion that it is "implicit" in the Administrative Law Judge's Decision that
Respondent did not deny Robinson his right of prior consultation with
his steward. This is the central issue in the instant case, and one which
cannot be avoided through use of a legal fiction. Assuming that the
Union's version of events on July 12 was fully credited, there can be no
doubt but that the General Counsel fulfilled his obligation to establish a
prima facie case. And, in the posture of this case, we must operate under
that assumption-as did the Administrative Law Judge by stating, in the
second paragraph of the section of his Decision entitled "Analysis and
Conclusions," "Yet, even under Millican's version . ..
Thus, it is ap-
parent that the Chairman's position constitutes nothing more than a thinly
veiled attempt to negate Robinson's right of prior consultation under the
guise of avoiding the delay and expense a remand might entail. I cannot
abdicate our responsibilities on these grounds.
DECISION
STATEMENT OF THE CASE
JAMES M. KENNEDY, Administrative Law Judge: This
case was heard before me in Houston, Texas, on May 22,
1980, pursuant to a complaint issued by the Regional Di-
rector for the National Labor Relations Board for
Region 231 and which is based upon a charge filed by
Communications Workers of America,
Local
12222,
AFL-CIO (herein called the Union), on October 1. The
complaint alleges that Southwestern Bell Telephone
Company (herein called Respondent) has engaged in cer-
tain violations of Section 8(a)(I) of the National Labor
Relations Act, as amended (herein called the Act).
All dates herein refer to 1979 unless otherwise indicated.
ISSUES
(I) Whether or not Respondent failed to give its em-
ployee James Robinson the opportunity to consult with
his union representative prior to conducting an investiga-
tion into an accident which had occurred while Robin-
son was driving a company vehicle; (2) whether Re-
spondent during the course of the interview unlawfully
deprived Robinson of representation by telling his stew-
ard to cease participating.
All parties were given full opportunity to participate,
to introduce relevant evidence, to examine and cross-ex-
amine witnesses, to argue orally, and to file briefs. Briefs,
which have been carefully considered, were filed on
behalf of both the General Counsel and Respondent.
Upon the entire record of the case, and from my ob-
servation of the witnesses and their demeanor, I make
the following:
FINDINGS OF FACT
I. JURISDICTION
Respondent admits it is a Missouri corporation which
operates an interstate telephone and telecommunication
service in Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Mis-
souri. It further admits that during the past year, in the
course and conduct of its business, its gross revenues ex-
ceeded $100,000. Accordingly it admits, and I find, that
it is an employer engaged in commerce and in a business
affecting commerce within the meaning of Section 2(2),
(6), and (7) of the Act.
11. THE L.ABOR ORGANIZATION INVOI.VED
Respondent admits, and I find, that the Union is a
labor organization within the meaning of Section 2(5) of
the Act.
IIn. THE ALLEGED UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES
The incident to be related here occurred at Respond-
ent's Houston, Texas, Baneway Center and involves the
procedure by which Respondent decided to discharge
one of its telephone installers, James Robinson. On July
10 Robinson had been working at a construction site to
install a business telephone line. While there he obtained
a piece of scrap insulation from a construction worker
which Robinson intended to use for his personal pur-
poses. He put it in the back of his company truck and
went to another job. The second job took him near his
home and he deviated a short way to his home to drop
off the insulation. When he exited through the back way
his vehicle collided with a 14-year-old girl. This record
is not clear whether she was on foot or riding a bicycle
but it appears she was not injured. Robinson telephoned
the police who refused to investigate the incident be-
cause it had occurred on private property. Robinson also
believed the accident was the young lady's fault, not his.
He recorded the incident in his accident book and the
next day, acting on instructions from his immediate su-
pervisor, Perry Curry, filled out an accident report.
Robinson says that after he filled out the report and
gave it to Curry he went to work. He says a few hours
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later he was asked to report to the Baneway garage for a
meeting with Charles Steubing, Respondent's district
manager for installation and repair. Robinson and the
union officials assert that the meeting occurred on July
II; Steubing and the other members of Respondent's
management assert that it occurred on July 12.2
On the morning in question Robinson says he arrived
at Baneway at approximately II a.m. Already present
were district steward Millican and the Baneway garage
chief steward, John Forbes. Millican said he had been at
his work center at Holly Springs and at approximately
10:30 his supervisor had told him to call Steubing at
Baneway. When he did so Steubing said he needed him
at Baneway for a meeting "right away." Millican says he
promptly finished what he had been working on, left
Holly Springs at approximately 10:45, and traveled Ihe 7
miles to Baneway fairly quickly, arriving shortly before
II a.m. On his arrival he saw Forbes standing in the
garage and a few minutes later Robinson appeared.
Forbes said he learned of the meeting through his first-
level supervisor who had been paged and s ho had told
him to attend a meeting at Baneway at II a.m. He says
he arrived at Baneway from a wvorksite at approximately
10:55. He saw Millican dri'ing in and about at that
moment Robinson also appeared.
The three of them say Millican asked Robinson if he
knew what was going on and Robinson replied, "It
could have something to do with the wreck I had yester-
day." At that point Forbes saw Curry open his office
door, apparently beckoning them inside. As they ap-
proached the door Millican told Forbes that it would be
best if Forbes represented Robinson as Forbes knew him
better than did Millican.
District Manager Steubing and Installation Manager
Robert Grenwelge,
corroborated
to some extent by
Curry, testified that they arrived at Baneway from their
office at approximately 10:40 a.m. On their arrival they
observed Robinson speaking to Millican and Forbes on
the garage floor. Grenwelge went inside Curry's office
while Steubing spent a few minutes on the floor greeting
employees. All three testified that Robinson and the two
stewards spoke together for at least 15 minutes before
the meeting was to begin at II a.m. They also testified
that Robinson and the two stewards did not enter
Curry's office until nearly
11:15 a.m. Curry says he
called them inside at that time.
Thus, there is a factual dispute with respect to wheth-
er or not Robinson had conferred with or had the oppor-
tunity to confer with his union stewards before the meet-
2 It is more probable that it occurred on July 12 as there is documnie
tary evidence to that effect including Steubing's calendar and union stew-
ard Stanley Millican's worksheet for that date on which he recorded time
spent on union-management business during the hours in question. Be that
as it may, the dispute over whether the meeting occurred on July II or
12 is of little moment here Respondent argues that, since the meeting oc-
curred on July 12, Robinson and the union stewards had all of July 11 to
discuss the accident and therefore Robinson was not deprived of the op-
portunity to discuss his plight with them. That extra day, it argues, satis-
fled any obligation it had to Robinson with respect to his obtaining effec-
tive representation at the meeting I do not concur and reject the argu-
ment. Assuming Rolbinson had the extra day, it does not follow that he
was required to use it to inform his union representatives that his job was
endangered, for it may not have been. No, one had been hurt in the acci-
dent and damage was negligible. Management nlight swell hac ignored it
ing began. Robinson and the stewards contend they did
not have such an opportunity and did not do so; Steub-
ing and his associates contend that not only did the stew-
ards have 15 minutes before the meeting was scheduled
to start, but also the atmosphere was so relaxed that the
stewards took an additional 15 minutes after the meeting
was supposed to start before they came in.
Upon the entry of Robinson and the stewards into
Curry's office it appears that Steubing advised that the
meeting was to investigate Robinson's accident and Milli-
can immediately asked Steubing for a few minutes to talk
to Robinson about it. Robinson characterized it as a re-
quest for "prior consultation" and testified Steubing said
it was his meeting, he wanted to proceed, he had better
things to do and "let's get on with the meeting." Both
stewards say that, when Millican asked for the "prior
conference" with Robinson, Steubing asked if it was just
Millican and Robinson, but Millican replied that it would
be all three. Millican says Steubing then "denied me the
meeting saying he wanted to start at II o'clock. It was
late. lie had other things he wanted to do and for us to
proceed on." He says it was then a few minutes after 11
a.m.
Fhe two stewards testified Robinson asserted his
assent to the request by nodding his head.
The management version of the beginning of the meet-
ing differs and is consistent with their testimony that
Robinson had already conferred with the stewards for
half an hour. Steubing says that when the three came
into Curry's office Millican said, "Charley, may we have
a few more minutes to talk about this?" Steubing replied,
"Stan. unless it is important, let's get started. You are al-
ready
15 minutes late . . . let's get started unless it is
something important."
Steubing says Millican replied,
"Okay," and all came in and sat down. There was no
further objection. Both Grenwelge and Curry corrobo-
rate Steubing's recollection.
Steubing then asked Robinson to explain his version of
the accident and Robinson proceeded to do so, even
complying with Steubing's request to draw a picture on
the blackboard. Both Millican and Forbes participated in
developing facts respecting the accident.
After Robinson completed his description of the acci-
dent, Steubing then began asking him questions regard-
ing his production for the day of the accident. It appears
that Robinson had recently been removed from a period
of suspension on an unrelated matter. There was a ques-
tion about authorized overtime and whether or not Rob-
inson was required to get prior authorization. At that
point Forbes interjected. According to him he said he
was going to answer for Robinson but Steubing said he
"didn't want me to comment in the meeting." Forbes re-
sponded saying he was Robinson's union representative
and he recalls Steubing repeated, "You can't comment in
this meeting. I am directing questions to Stan [Millican]
and to James [Robinson]."
Forbes says Millican then explained to Steubing that
Forbes was Robinson's representative and would be al-
lowed to talk in any meeting he attended. Forbes says
Steubing replied, "I am directing questions to you, Mr.
Millican, and to James, and Mr. Forbes cannot comment
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in this meeting." As a result Forbes said he participated
no further.
Robinson and Millican tend to corroborate Forbes
here, although neither describes Steubing's interdiction
quite as strongly. Robinson remembers Steubing telling
Forbes, "I am not talking to you. I am talking to James,"
later adding that he was also speaking to Millican. Milli-
can stated that after telling Steubing that Forbes was
Robinson's union representative and could talk at any
meeting Steubing replied, "No, [I am] directing [my]
questions to Millican and Robinson only." Millican testi-
fied, apparently
as
a descriptive conclusion,
"John
[Forbes] was not to answer the questions." I infer both
from Millican's answer here as well as Forbes' remark
that Forbes was indeed attempting to answer questions
Steubing was posing to Robinson.
It is clear that, although Millican had told Forbes to
take the lead in representing Robinson, neither Millican
nor Forbes had ever advised Steubing of their decision.
That appears to have been a deviation from a protocol
which the parties commonly used in dealing with such
matters. The protocol was that both union and manage-
ment had counterparts who spoke to each other on a
peer-like level. Thus, the crew steward dealt with the
immediate foreman such as Curry; the chief steward's
peer was the installation manager's counterpart (i.e.,
Forbes v. Grenwelge); and the district steward's counter-
part was the district manager (i.e., Millican v. Steubing).
It was for this reason that Steubing had called for Milli-
can's presence in the meeting and indeed Steubing had
every right to think that he was dealing with Millican
only. 3
Steubing, corroborated by Grenwelge and Curry, testi-
fied both Millican and Forbes had participated in the
meeting up to that point and that he had voiced no ob-
jection. However, when the topic changed from the ac-
cident to production, Steubing says Forbes interrupted
on a number of occasions and would not permit Robin-
son to answer the questions being put to him. When that
occurred Steubing says he simply asked Forbes to stop
interrupting and let Robinson speak. Forbes complied.
All three management officials say this request did not
stop Forbes from participating in the meeting later on,
though his participation was lessened. Certainly Millican
continued to participate fully; he was never barred.
It also appears that the standard practice at such meet-
ings, including grievance settlement discussions, is to
permit all individuals present to freely contribute to the
conversation, whether by presentation of factual material
or by argument. Furthermore, it appears to have been
the standard practice for Respondent to allow the Union
any recess it wished to hold in order to caucus among
themselves. It is clear that neither Millican nor Forbes
ever asked for an additional recess and Millican was
never deprived of the right to contribute as he saw fit
nor to hold side discussions if he chose with either Rob-
inson or Forbes.
a In fact, Steubing testified credibly that he was surprised Forbes was
present. Apparently Forbes had been invited by mistake, though that is
not absolutely clear. Certainly no one had any objection to Forbes' pres-
ence.
At the conclusion of the meeting Steubing advised
Robinson that he was suspended pending further review
of his file. Millican asked Steubing to advise him of the
results of that review and Steubing agreed to do so.
Within the next several days Steubing and Grenwelge
decided they would recommend Robinson's discharge
based not simply on the accident alone but also upon a
review of his entire work history including previous sus-
pensions and production matters. He was ultimately dis-
charged approximately 10 days later.
IV. ANALYSIS AND CONCL.USIONS
With respect to the factual dispute relating to the
amount of time Millican and Forbes had to discuss the
accident with Robinson prior to the start of the meeting
in Curry's office, there is very little to assist me in re-
solving that credibility dispute. The General Counsel
points to purported inconsistencies in the pretrial affida-
vits of Steubing and Grenwelge but an analysis of those
does not convince me that they are sufficiently inconsist-
ent to warrant discrediting their live testimony. To do so
in my opinion would be unfair. I therefore find that each
side's version is as probable as the other. 4
Nonetheless, it is clear that. when the two stewards
and Robinson finally entered Curry's office and upon
their officially learning from Steubing the purpose of the
visit, Millican did ask for a few more minutes. Yet, even
under Millican's version it does not appear that Steubing
refused the stewards a preinterview conference with
Robinson. No doubt Millican's request must be interpret-
ed as a request for such a conference. But Steubing
never said "no." He countered with a request to proceed
which no witness described as a command. His statement
was only a request that the meeting not be delayed. Mil-
lican, rather than insisting on a preinterview conference,
acceded. I am, therefore, unable to conclude that the
General Counsel has proven by a preponderance of the
evidence that Respondent denied Robinson the right to
union representation by barring his representatives from
meeting with him before the investigative interview
began. 5 This allegation should be dismissed.
Likewise, I am unpersuaded that Steubing unlawfully
barred Forbes from representing Robinson during the in-
terview. Forbes and Millican virtually admit Forbes at-
tempted to answer factual questions addressed to Robin-
son by Steubing. Aside from the question of improper
disruption, which is neither argued nor warranted, their
version simply leads me to the conclusion that Forbes
was displaying bad manners by answering the questions
4 It is true that Millican's work record shows that he listed himself as
being engaged in union business as of 10:45 a.m. that day, therefore creat-
ing the likelihood that he left Holly Springs at that time and could not
have arrived at Baneway until he said he did; i.e., 10:55, rather than the
10:45 attributed to him by Steubing. Nonetheless that does not negate the
possibility that the three engaged in an at least 20-minute discussion
thereafter. Therefore, I find Millican's work record to be of little assist-
ance in resolving the dispute.
5 This right has been recognized by the Board in Climax Molybdenum
Company, 227 NLRB 1189 (1977), enforcement denied 584 F.2d 360 (10th
Cir. 1978), and is considered an integral part of the right to union repre-
sentation during an employer's investigation into an employee's alleged
misconduct set forth in N.L.R.B. v. J Weingarten, Inc., 420 U.S. 251
(1975).
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and Steubing asked him to stop. It is true that Forbes
says Steubing told him to discontinue commenting fur-
ther, but in view of Millican's and Robinson's versions
Forbes must be discredited on the point. Thus, I con-
clude that Steubing only told Forbes to stop attempting
to answer questions directed to Robinson and that the di-
rective was aimed only at maintaining sufficient order in
the meeting so that it could proceed courteously and
without chancing a disruption of its purpose. This allega-
tion, too, is unproven. Compare Respondent's conduct in
Southwestern Bell Telephone Company, 251 NLRB 612
(1980), where the evidence showed the steward was or-
dered to keep silent. In any event Steubing never gave a
similar admonition to Millican, Forbes' superior, and Mil-
lican continued to participate freely.
Based on the foregoing findings of fact and the record
as a whole, I make the following:
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
I. Respondent is an employer within the meaning of
Section 2(2) of the Act, engaged in commerce and in an
industry affecting commerce within the meaning of Sec-
tion 2(6) and (7) of the Act.
2. The Union is a labor organization within the mean-
ing of Section 2(5) of the Act.
3. Respondent has not engaged in the unfair labor
practices alleged in the complaint.
Upon the basis of the foregoing findings of fact and
conclusions of law, and upon the entire record in this
case, and pursuant to Section 10(c) of the Act, I hereby
issue the following recommended:
ORDER 8
It is ordered that the complaint be, and it hereby is,
dismissed in its entirety.
* In the event no exceptions are filed as provided by Sec. 102.46 of the
Rules and Regulations of the National Labor Relations Board, the find-
ings, conclusions, and recommended Order herein shall, as provided in
Sec. 102.48 of the Rules and Regulations, be adopted by the Board and
become its findings, conclusions, and Order, and all objections thereto
shall be deemed waived for all purposes.
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