270 NLRB 11
American Steel Building Co.
AMERICAN STEEL BUILDING CO.
American Steel Building Company, Inc. and Interna-
tional Association of Bridge, Structural and Or-
namental Ironworkers, Shopmen's Local Union
No. 507. Case 27-CA-7250
26 April 1984
DECISION AND ORDER
BY CHAIRMAN DOTSON AND MEMBERS
HUNTER AND DENNIS
On 11 June 1982 Administrative Law Judge
David G. Heilbrun issued the attached decision.
The General Counsel and the Respondent filed ex-
ceptions and supporting briefs.
The National Labor Relations Board has delegat-
ed its authority in this proceeding to a three-
member panel.
The Board has considered the decision and the
record in light of the exceptions and briefs and has
decided to affirm the judge's rulings, findings, and
conclusions2
and
to adopt the recommended
Order.
ORDER
The recommended Order of the administrative
law judge is adopted and the complaint is dis-
missed.
i The Oeneral Counsel has excepted to some of the judge's credibility
findings. The Board's established policy is not to overrule an administra-
tive law judge's credibility resolutions unless the clear preponderance of
all the relevant evidence convinces us that they are incorrect. Standard
Dry Wall Products, 91 NLRB 544 (1950), enfd. IB5 F.2d 362 (3d Cir.
1951). We have carefully examined the record and find no basis for re-
versing the findings.
2 Contrary to the judge, we do not find Struksnes Construction Co., 165
NLRB 1062 (1967), dispositive of the case, as there is no evidence that
the Respondent, by its question, sought to ascertain whether a majority
of employees supported the Union. Rather, we find that the Respondent's
question was the sort of interrogation which by its nature would reason-
ably tend to coerce employees in the exercise of their Sec. 7 rights. How-
ever, we agree with the judge that, under all circumstances, the conduct,
while technically in contravention of the Act, does not warrant a
remedy.
In Chairman Dotson's view, the Respondent's remarks to employees
do not constitute unlawful interrogation. He finds that this question ap-
pears to be rhetorical and was only part of a lawful speech made to all
employees at an open meeting.
DECISION
STATEMENT OF THE CASE
DAVID G. HEILBRUN, Administrative Law Judge. This
case was heard at Denver, Colorado, on February 25,
1982, based on an amended complaint alleging that
American Steel Building Company, Inc., called Respond-
ent, violated Section 8(aX1) of the Act by interrogation
of its employees, threat of plant closure, and creation of
an impression among its employees that their union ac-
tivities were under surveillance, and did therefore inter-
fere with, restrain, and coerce employees in the exercise
of rights guaranteed them in Section 7 of the Act.
On the entire record,' my observation of witnesses
and consideration of posthearing briefs, I make the fol-
lowing
FINDINGS OF FACT AND RESULTANT CONCLUSIONS
OF LAW
On March 12, 1981, two representatives of the Interna-
tional Association of Bridge, Structural and Ornamental
Ironworkers, Shopmen's Local Union No. 507, appeared
at Respondent's plant and voiced a claim of representa-
tion to Plant Manager Kenneth Hendrickson.' This was
rejected and soon a petition was filed as Case 27-RC-
6189, ultimately to be dismissed on April 23 as prema-
ture.s At 2:40 p.m. the following day of March 13, Hen-
drickson assembled the approximately one dozen rank-
and-file employees to speak to them from prepared notes.
Admitted Supervisors Timm Armstrong and Charlie
Langley were also present. The notes from which Hen-
drickson spoke read as follows:
Employees Talk 3-13
I. Talk because yesterday 2 assholes named
Willet [sic] & Asmus stopped in from the Ironwork-
ers Union & claimed they represented you. I didn't
believe-asked them to get out.
I The transcript of the proceeding runs 125 pages. As officially pre-
sented, the single original folio bore a hand-written note pinned to the
front. It read:
From: Fed. Rep. Service, Denver, Colorado
Note-
This is the orig. transcript-the method used is a computerized
system-We won't be doing this again if we can avoid it.
Thanks-
B. Ford
The cryptic ending of this note must refer to the transcript's quality,
which is unprecedentedly poor. It beggars any prospect of individual
corrections, for all manner of oddity is present as to vocabulary, gram-
mar, syntax, continuity, and a fair capturing of much that was uttered.
However, these defects are largely confined to colloquy, as for example
at p. 48, 1. 15 where even the speaker is misidentified. As to esaential ex-
amination of witnesses, I have carefully reviewed my own extensive
notes and reflected closely on circumstances of this fairly recent hearing.
From this I am satified that salient testimony is sufficiently set forth, and
that key assertions and denials reflect what was actually advanced by the
four witnesses appearing during this short half-day case. For these rea-
sons, and without expressing an opinion on whether this transcript repre-
sents fulfillment of contractual obligations I believe it is minimally suffi-
cient to skirt the inviting possibility that on due process grounds the
matter must be reheard.
s All dates and named months hereafter are in 1981, unless shown oth-
erwise.
s Respondent is a Colorado corporation having ties that were not fully
developed in this record to a parent entity of the same name in Texas.
Respondent maintains its office and place of business in Aurora, Colora-
do, and there engages in the manufacture and sale of steel buildings. In
the course and conduct of such business it annually sells and ships prod-
ucts valued in excess of S50,000 to customers located outside Colorado,
while purchasing and receiving goods and materials valued in excess of
$50,000 directly from suppliers outside Colorado. On these stipulated
facts I find Respondent to be an employer engaged in commerce within
the meaning of Sec. 2(6) and (7) of the Act. In its original form the com-
plaint implicitly alleged that Shopmen's Local Union No. 507, sometimes
called the Union, was a labor organization with the meaning of Sec. 2(5)
of the Act, and I am satisfied that this has been adequately established
from the record as a whole and may thus be a conclusion of law.
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DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD
II. I don't like unions. I don't think there there
will ever be a union here because after you think
about it, you'll decide you don't need or want a
union. If anyone thinks they need a union to work,
they may be at the wrong place.
A. Union didn't pay for Bldg. Buy land, provide
jobs, sign paychecks.
B. Promise a lot but deliver little.
C. Don't have to pay to work here.
D. Claims card are confidential and for getting
election. More than that-might mean a union rep-
resent an employee. Not always confidential be-
cause cards can be exposed at NLRB Trial.
III. Because these two guys claim to represent
you-was anybody really contacted by the union?
You don't have to answer, & nothing will happen to
you if you do or don't, I just can't believe they rep-
resent you.
IV. -My opinion-too early for union to try to
get in.
A. Haven't shipped anything.
B. Only skeleton workforce in training stage-
hopefully pick up-hire many more.
C. Unions fail to adequately represent employees,
sometime cause companys to lose money.
D. None of you need to pay money to outside
union people to work here.
E. My opinion, never be union here because
don't need one, and given time you'll agree.
F. Top notch attorney to help if we need to go
to hearing or Election.
V. -Close-I'll be around to answer questions.
He testified that these were prepared on the basis of
telephone consultation with Texas-based legal counsel,
and that the entire presentation took about 10 minutes.
Hendrickson maintained that he did not depart in any ap-
preciable way from the theme of these notes, and he ex-
pressly denied threatening to close the plant should the
claiming Union be voted in as a collective-bargaining
representative. Hendrickson testified that he emphasized
making inquiry to the assembled employees about wheth-
er or not they had been contacted by the union repre-
sentatives only as a matter of his own curiosity, and that
employee Dale Isaacson had comfortably signified to
having been contacted without elaborating on what he
was told or his own position on the matter other than
that he had nothing to hide. Hendrickson was essentially
corroborated by Steve Miller, formerly a rank-and-file
employee but now a shop foreman, and by Timm Arm-
strong, now Respondent's other shop foreman, each of
whom testified that no threat of plant closure had been
uttered.
The General Counsel relies on the testimony of Dellis
Trent, a former receiving clerk who worked for Re-
spondent from early March until August. Trent testified
that Hendrickson's speech was generally along the lines
carried in his notes, but that he had also remarked on a
likelihood of closing down the plant should the Union's
claim materialize. Trent's testimony included a specific
recollection that Hendrickson had emphasized how it did
not matter whether employees responded to his inquiry
about being contacted, because he would find this out
anyway.'
A resolution of credibility is paramount to the out-
come of this case. In the order of testifying, I first credit
Hendrickson on demeanor and other grounds. He was
sufficiently forthright that I believe his denial of having
uttered a plant closing threat or that he created an im-
pression of surveillance." It is essentially true that what
he spoke was taken from the notes, and no hint of such a
remark appears therein. He projected as having a highly
institutionalized business leaning, and to have adequately
acquainted himself with the pitfalls of speeches to em-
ployees. A further point, self-serving though it is, con-
cerns the fact that he sought to obtain expert guidance
on the matter of labor relations rhetoric, as to this his de-
meanor characteristics tie back in because he seemingly
abided this guidance to the letter. As to Trent, I believe
he is honestly mistaken in his recollection. On demeanor
grounds he appeared susceptible to suggestion, and his
recollection was further flawed by recalling a pizza and
beer conclusion to the Hendrickson speech, a point cre-
dibly denied by two other witnesses. The two thus re-
ferred to are Miller and Armstrong, who each persua-
sively denied that Hendrickson had mentioned the spec-
tre of a plant closing simply because a union might come
in." I note that the General Counsel has shown bias and
self-interest to their testimony, yet each in his own way
displayed a demeanor that inspired some confidence in
their recollections. This is particularly true because each
made the valid point that a precarious future with Re-
spondent would have been both clearly remembered and
might well have altered their own employment plans at
Aurora. Miller was cross-examined vigorously about
gaps, disparity, or ambiguity between his investigatory
affidavit and his testimony. I note this illuminating effort,
but must observe contrarily that it incorrectly assumes a
rank-and-file employee would have both inclination and
skill at collaborating in the preparation of a comprehen-
sive affidavit for administrative case purposes. This
simply does not square with realities of the workplace,
or with usual involvement by employee witnesses in the
investigatory process. In particular regard to Miller, I am
satisfied that his demeanor characteristics lent credence
to his version both of what was and what was not said.
Armstrong was even more impressive as a witness in
terms of pure demeanor, and I am influenced by his
'On this point Hendrickson had anticipatorily testified that he told the
employees how authorization cards typically used by unions did not nec-
essarily retain their confidential character and could, through NLRB pro-
ceedings, conceivably result in that assurance not being "the entire
truth."
* The latter subject was denied somewhat obliquely, with Hendrick-
son's most pertinent testimony being that he said "nothing to imply that."
6 On the more esoteric third branch of the casue, I have already cred-
ited Hendrickson's denial of having made renarks that would create an
impression of surveillance. More importantly, the only way this could be
established is through Trent's narration that Hendrickson predicted he
would come to know of any card signers. Trent places this in context of
the employee group being mute to Hendrickson's inquiry about whether
business agent Earl Willett or district representative Frederick Asmus
had approached employees, whereas it is clear that Isaacson spoke up
boldly and generated a brief dialogue which was devoid of words that
would form a basis for showing that the impression of imminent, undetec-
table, or ultimate surveillance was being created among employees.
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credible description of how employees return to work
immediately after the Hendrickson speech and that a
pizza and beer treat had occurred several weeks later
when Respondent celebrated its first shipment of prod-
ucts. The General Counsel has explained for the record
that former employee Forrest Dalton was expected to
testify, but disappointingly would not present himself.
What is left however is only the testimony of Trent in
support of amended complaint paragraphs V(b) and (c),
and I find this to be unreliable and insufficient to form
substantial probative evidence in support of such allega-
tions.
There remains the issue of assertedly unlawful interro-
gation of employees. Here the General Counsel relies on
Struksnes Construction Co., 165 NLRB 1062 (1967), and
numerous other cases in which the Board has remedied
questioning of employees about circumstances of an
aborning campaign toward unionization. Respondent
counters that this matter does not under any view of the
facts constitute a violation, and in the alternative that it
is isolated in nature and fundamentally without reasona-
ble grounds to pursue. There is no basis not to view
Struksnes as despositive of the issue, except that every
case has its own unique facts.7 Here the action of Hen-
drickson on March 13 was hasty, haughty, and technical-
ly violative of the Act. Absent carefully structured safe-
guards the abrupt probing of employees about underly-
ing steps of union organizers is inhibiting toward their
right of choice under Section 7. However, it must be in-
creasingly asked whether every violation, from what
may be a vast reservoir on the basis of verbalisms alone
as they emanate in tens of thousands of covered work-
places, must be remedied. This concern was often ex-
pressed by former Board Member Penello, in his connec-
7 Contrary to what the General Counsel anticipated, Respondent did
not brief the ce ase a "polling" of employees issue, but instead pressed
other authorities, the most intriguing of which were Bulk Haulers, 200
NLRB 389 (1972), and Spearin. Preston & Burrows,
248 NLRB 1384
(1980). The latter is distinguishable on its facts, while as to the former
Respondent seems not to have observed that a Supplemental Decision
and Order issued in keeping with reversal and remand by the U.S. Court
of Appeals for the District of Columbia in Teamsters Local 633 v. NLRB,
509 F.2d 490 (1974). Accepting "law of the case" based on standards set
forth in Bourne v NLRB, 332 F.2d 47 (2d Cir. 1964), the Board re-exam-
ined interrogation of employee McKay by Supervisor Therriault and
found it to be coercive within the meaning of Sec. 8(aX1). Bulk Haulers,
219 NLRB 244 (1979).
tion of the problem to agency resources and an assess-
ment of the capacity of prudent working person to field
and filter certain types of managerial statements. See
Peerless Food Products, 237 NLRB 161 (1978), and Postal
Service, 242 NLRB 228 (1979). Without more to this case
I propose that it end here, with the hope of a chastened
employer and a fresh basis for any labor organization to
appropriately engage in time-honored approaches to em-
ployees leading to their own collective expression of free
choice on the subject of representation. 8 The work force
was incomplete on March 13, and since has increased to
a normal operating complement by the hire of persons
not present for Hendrickson's speech. The Union elected
to press its petition to a full disposition, and an allegation
of Dalton having been unlawfully discharged was dis-
missed followed by upholding of such action on appeal.
Traditional notice-posting would seem artificial, futile,
and confusing to employees under the circumstances,
plus being an unnecessarily extravagant drain on both
public and private resources. I am influenced in the
making of a recommended disposition by rationale of the
United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in
which, by unpublished order declining to enforce in
NLRB v. Blanchard, No. 79-7112, filed August 11, 1980,
in relation to Blanchard Construction Co., 234 NLRB
1035 (1978), where an 8(a)(l) violation was found, the
court wrote the "challenged" incidents were of "minor
significance" not serving purposes of the Act through
enforcement. Accordingly, I render a conclusion of law
that Respondent's unlawful interrogation of employees
on March 13 concerning whether or not they were con-
tacted by Shopmen's Local Union No. 507 does not war-
rant remedial action, and I issue the following recom-
mended9
ORDER
The complaint is dismissed in its entirety.
I I expressly disapprove of Hendrickson's unwarranted calumny in re-
ferring to his antagonists as "assholes," but consider this impertinence is
overshadowed by larger considerations.
' If no exceptions are filed as provided by Sec. 102.46 of the Board's
Rules and Regulations, the findings, conclusions, and recommended
Order shall, as provided in Sec. 102.48 of the Rules, be adopted by the
Board and all objections to them shall be deemed waived for all pur-
poses.
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