271 NLRB 318
McCartney, Inc.
DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD
McCartney, Incorporated and United Food and
Commercial Workers Union, Local 76, affiliated
with United Food and Commercial Workers
International Union, AFL-CIO-CLC. Case 16-
CA- 10914
19 July 1984
DECISION AND ORDER
By CHAIRMAN DOTSON AND MEMBERS
ZIMMERMAN AND DENNIS
On 30 November
1983
Administrative
Law
Judge Lawrence W. Cullen issued the attached de-
cision. The Respondent filed exceptions and a sup-
porting brief.
The National Labor Relations Board has delegat-
ed its authority in this proceeding to a three-
member panel.
The Board has considered the decision and the
record in light of the exceptions and brief and has
decided to affirm the judge's rulings, findings,' and
conclusions and to adopt the recommended Order.
ORDER
The National Labor Relations Board adopts the
recommended Order of the administrative law
judge and orders that the Respondent, McCartney,
Incorporated, Tulsa, Oklahoma, its officers, agents,
successors, and assigns, shall take the action set
forth in the Order.
i The Respondent has excepted to some of the judge's credibility find-
ings. The Board's established policy is not to overrule an administrative
law judge's credibility resolutions unless the clear preponderance of all
the relevant evidence convinces us that they are incorrect. Standard Dry
Wall Products, 91 NLRB 544 (1950), enfd. 188 F.2d 362 (3d Cir. 1951).
We have carefully examined the record and find no basis for reversing
the findings.
DECISION
STATEMENT OF THE CASE
LAWRENCE W. CULLEN, Administrative Law Judge.
This case was heard before me on October 17, 1983, at
Tulsa, Oklahoma. The hearing was held pursuant to a
complaint issued by the Acting Regional Director for
Region 16 of the National Labor Relations Board (the
Board). The complaint is based on a charge filed by the
United Food and Commercial Workers Union, Local 76,
affiliated with the United Food and Commercial Work-
ers International Union, AFL-CIO-CLC (the Union or
the Charging Party) on February 14, 1983. The com-
plaint (as amended the hearing) alleges that McCartney,
Incorporated,' a corporation (Respondent), has violated
Section 8(a)(1) of the National Labor Relations Act (the
Act) by on or about February 122 at Store No. 2 unlaw-
The official caption of Respondent was amended at the hearing.
2 All dates are in 1983 unless otherwise stated.
fully interrogating its employees regarding the employ-
ees' need for union representation and by threatening re-
taliation by leasing out its Tulsa stores' meat markets be-
cause its employees filed grievances, and on or about
February 12 at Store No. I threatening its employees
with retaliation by leasing the Tulsa stores' meat markets
because its employees had filed grievances. The com-
plaint is joined by Respondent's answer filed April 4,
wherein it denied the commission of any violations of the
Act and asserted affirmative defenses thereto.
Upon the entire record in this proceeding, including
my observations of the witnesses who testified herein,
and after due consideration of the positions of the parties
as expressed at the hearing and the brief filed by Re-
spondent, I make the following
FINDINGS OF FACT AND ANALYSIS
I. JURISDICTION
A. The Business of Respondent
The complaint alleges, Respondent admits, and I find
that Respondent was and has been at all times material
herein, an Oklahoma corporation engaged in the sale and
distribution of retail groceries with an office and place of
business in Tulsa, Oklahoma; that during the past 12
months, a representative period, Respondent, in the
course and conduct of its business operations in Tulsa,
Oklahoma, purchased and received goods valued in
excess of $50,000 directly from suppliers located outside
the State of Oklahoma, and had a gross income in excess
of $500,000; and that Respondent is, and has been at all
times material herein, an employer engaged in commerce
within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act.
B. The Labor Organization
The complaint
alleges, Respondent
admits
in its
answer, and I find that the Union is now and has been at
all times material herein, a labor organization within the
meaning of Section 2(5) of the Act.
II. THE ALLEGED UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES
This case involves meetings held by John McCartney,3
the owner of Respondent, and two of its grocery stores
in Tulsa, Oklahoma (Store No. I and Store No. 2) on
February 12 with certain of Respondent's meat market
employees at each of the two stores. The General Coun-
sel presented the testimony of employees Sherman (Dar-
rell) Largent Jr., Joyce Zellner, and Helen Delk.
Largent testified as follows: He has been employed by
Respondent since January 1976 and was employed as a
journeyman meatcutter at Store No. 2 in Tulsa, Oklaho-
ma, on February 12. He and other meat department em-
ployees4
(six employees) attended a meeting at which
3 The complaint alleges, the answer admits, and I find that McCartney
is the owner of Respondent and was an agent and/or supervisor of Re-
spondent, acting in its behalf within the meaning of Sec. 2(11) and (13) of
the Act at all times material herein.
4 These employees were covered by a collective-bargaining agreement
between Respondent and the Union (G.C. Exh. 2-the November 16,
1980-November 19, 1983 labor agreement).
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McCartney spoke. Also present for Respondent were Bill
Stafford, general manager, and Bill Butler, meat supervi-
sor. 5 At the meeting McCartney announced that he had
planned to lease out the meat department as "he was
tired of being harassed by people parking in front of his
home, threatening phone calls to his family; [he] was
tired of having vehicles shot at and equipment; and there
was a few employees that he wanted to-that he did not
plan to keep if the markets were leased out." McCartney
discussed a new store that was to be opened and which
he maintained would hurt this store and it was necessary
to "bring up the gross profits, percentages and things of
that nature." McCartney also talked of hiring employees
"to work the counters and do the clean ups at a lower
wage because he didn't want to pay us [the employees] a
higher wage to do clean up or work counters ....
"
McCartney also discussed the requirement that he pay
insurance benefits for part-time employees.
Largent took notes which he destroyed after the meet-
ing. McCartney observed Largent taking notes and asked
Largent why he needed a union. Largent responded that
he felt the employees need a union for job security. Lar-
gent testified further that McCartney stated "he was
tired of grievances being filed against the Company"
with the Union and that the meat departments at the two
stores in Tulsa would be leased out as a result of trouble
with the Union through grievances at these stores where-
as the meat department in Respondents two stores in
Oklahoma City would not be leased out. McCartney
stated that he would take care of some employees who
were not currently fully vested in their pension rights by
paying them to ensure that they would be vested.
On cross-examination Largent agreed that in July 1982
the issue of subcontracting the work performed in the
meat departments had been discussed in a meeting be-
tween management and the employees as had the number
of grievances being filed by the employees. Largent also
testified that at the February 12 meeting the subject of
grievances was initially raised by McCartney.
Joyce Zellner testified as follows: Zellner works at
Store No. 2 and was present at the February 12 meeting
held at that store. McCartney spoke at the meeting and
"said that he was getting tired of being harassed by the
union; harassed and too many grievances filed. He said
that he would like to-he thought about leasing out the
markets and he was going on a new program in about
three months with us or without us and that it was-he
would like to have cheaper help to do clean ups and that
our health and welfare was $400 a month and sometimes
we would have part-time help come in and he would still
have to pay that." He also stated that two employees
who were not vested in their pension rights would be
vested as he would do that. Largent was taking notes
and McCartney asked what do you think of it Darrell
since you are taking notes and Largent replied that he
did not think the employees should be punished for
something that one person had done (referring to a par-
ticular ex-employee about whom McCartney had com-
5 The complaint alleges, Respondent's answer admits, and I find that
Stafford and Butler were agents and/or supervisors of Respondent within
the meaning of Sec. 2(11) and (13) of the Act.
plained) and should stay with the Union. McCartney also
stated he was not having any union problems with the
two stores in Oklahoma City and that they would remain
as union markets. On cross-examination Zellner stated
that McCartney had stated he was tired of the griev-
ances being taken to the Union by "the people" (employ-
ees) and of "his family being harassed." McCartney also
stated that he had attempted to discuss problems with
the Union and had sent letters but received no response.
She was unable to recall whether McCartney had dis-
cussed what particular problems he had attempted to dis-
cuss with the Union.
Helen Delk testified as follows: She is employed by
Respondent as a meat wrapper at Store No. I in Tulsa,
Oklahoma. On February 12 she attended a meeting at-
tended by seven of the eight meat department employees
at that store and by McCartney, Stafford, and Butler.
McCartney spoke and stated he was planning to lease
out the markets (meat), that all the employees would
have their jobs at the same rate of pay but he would like
to bring in cleanup employees at a lower rate of pay. He
did not know what the employees benefits would be but
would assure them that three employees who were not
currently vested (in their pension rights) would be. He
stated that "unless we could resolve our differences . . .
he was going to have to lease the markets." He was
asked what date he planned to do this and replied that he
did not have a date as yet.
He also stated that union markets were "going down"
and nonunion markets were "doing better." He was
asked about the two stores in Oklahoma City and said,
"There had been no trouble there so that they would not
be leased out." On reviewing her affidavit she recalled
that McCartney stated that there had been a lot of griev-
ances filed.
Respondent called McCartney to testify in its behalf.
He testified as follows: As of February 12 he owned four
stores. The meat departments in the two stores in Tulsa,
Oklahoma, are covered by a labor agreement with the
Union (G.C. Exh. 2). During the term of this agreement
he received an offer from outside employers to subcon-
tract his meat departments. He is aware that a letter was
sent by his attorney to the Union (R. Exh. I).6 He subse-
quently received a copy of a letter from the Union re-
sponding thereto. 7 No negotiations of the subject of sub-
contracting took place in 1983. During the months of
January and February he received comments from mana-
gerial employees and from meat cutters concerning
rumors of subletting the departments in Tulsa and Okla-
homa City.
6 R. Exh. 1 is a letter dated January 20 from his attorney Lynn Paul
Mattson to John Stone of the Union in which Respondent raised with the
Union the subject of contracting out the meat department in the two
Tulsa stores and asked to bargain concerning the impact of such a deci-
sion on the employees therein who were currently represented by the
Union.
7 R. Exh 2 is a letter dated February 3 stating that the Union has no
obligation to bargain concerning subcontracting under the terms of the
existing contract (G.C. Exh. 2) and has no intention of doing so during
the existing contract but would discuss the subject when the current con-
tract came up for negotiation.
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On February 12, he talked with the employees at the
two stores in Tulsa. In Store No. 2 he met with the em-
ployees in the meat department and answered questions
of the employees concerning leasing of the meat depart-
ments, told them it was premature but that Respondent
had had discussions "with two different individuals con-
cerning leasing the Tulsa markets" and reminded them of
an earlier meeting in July (1982) wherein operational
problems in the two Tulsa meat departments had been
discussed. He told the employees that gross profit was
below what it should be ("3 percent") and distribution
was down ("25 and 30 percent") from what it had been
"a few years earlier." He observed Darrell Largent
taking notes "and later on asked him something about
taking notes. I don't recall what it was. It wasn't any-
thing important." He does not recall asking Largent why
he needed a union. "I don't recall asking him that specif-
ic question. I could have asked him something akin to
that in reference to something. I don't recall asking him
a blanket question why do you need a union?" He be-
lieves the subject of grievances was raised by one of the
employees during the meeting and a discussion of harass-
ment (Respondent's compressors shot out, bullet holes in
a company car, windows of a company car broken).
None of these incidents was connected with the structure
of the grievance procedure. Someone at the meeting
asked if Respondent "had received a lot a grievances."
There had been five grievances during the life of the
labor agreement. He was asked if subcontracting would
occur at the Oklahoma City stores and responded, "No,
primarily because we were not having the operational
problems, i.e., low gross profits, poor distribution, higher
cost of labor factor that we were having in the Tulsa
stores." He did not tell the employees at either the meet-
ing held at Store No. 1 or Store No. 2 that one of the
reasons he wanted to subcontract out the meat market
operations had to do with the number of grievances that
had been filed. The meeting at Store No. I was similar to
that at Store No. 2 although the questions of pension
vesting came up in the subsequent meeting. He does not
recall the issue of the unjustified nature of any griev-
ances coming up at either meeting.
On cross-examination he testified that there were a
total of seven grievances at both Stores No. I and No. 2
during the term of the labor agreement.
Analysis
The General Counsel contends that it is undisputed
that McCartney interrogated Largent and asked him
why the employees needed a union and contends that the
testimony of the General Counsel's witness concerning
McCartney's statements at the two meetings with respect
to alleged union harassment is virtually unrefuted and
that neither of Respondent's affirmative defenses have
merit. 8
' The affirmative defenses are:
1. That the Charging Party should be estopped by its conduct
from asserting that a violation of the Act has occurred as the
Union's own refusal to bargain gave rise to the meetings in which
the supposed allegation occurred.
Respondent contends that McCartney called the meet-
ings on the spur of the moment in order to allay its em-
ployees' fears concerning rumors of an impending deci-
sion to subcontract or lease out its meat market oper-
ations following Respondent's request to bargain with
the Union concerning the impact of such a decision and
the Union's refusal to do so during the term of the exist-
ing labor agreement. Respondent contends that the ques-
tioning of Largent, if it occurred, was noncoercive in
nature and took place in the context of a general discus-
sion and was not directed at Largent personally, did not
constitute interrogation as it did not seek to elicit Lar-
gent's view and, under the circumstances, if this were
found to be a violation, it was a de minimis violation and
waste of the Board's resources to litigate.
With respect to the allegations of threatened retalia-
tion, Respondent contends that the meetings were de-
signed to allay employees fears by apprising them of the
possibility of the contracting out of its meat markets be-
cause of economic considerations. Respondent contends
that McCartney denied having discussed the filing of
grievances as a reason for the consideration of subcon-
tracting its meat market operations but rather that eco-
nomic factors were discussed and that there is thus no
evidence that the alleged violation occurred. Further,
Respondent contends McCartney assured the employees
that they would retain their jobs and no adverse conse-
quences would occur.
I find that the General Counsel has established a prima
facie case of a violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act by
Respondent with respect to the interrogation of Largent
by McCartney as to why the employees needed a union
and by telling the employees in Store No. 2 that the
work in the meat departments in Stores No. I and No. 2
in Tulsa, Oklahoma, would be subcontracted out as a
result of the filing of grievances and union harassment. I
found the testimony of Largent to be specific and believ-
able and I credit it. I also credit the testimony of Zellner
which was largely corroborative of that of Largent. To
the extent that their testimony may differ particularly
with respect to the questioning of Largent by McCart-
ney, I credit Largent's version as the more reliable. I
found the testimony of Largent and Zellner as to the
statements made by McCartney as to the reason for con-
tracting out the meat departments of the Tulsa stores
support a finding that McCartney tied the need for doing
so to the filing of grievances with the Union as opposed
to the situation in Oklahoma City where there had been
no "union trouble." Given the small complement of em-
ployees in the two stores meat departments (Nos. I and
2) of 15 full-time employees, I am not persuaded by Re-
spondent's argument that the total of 7 grievances filed
at both stores was not significant enough to incur the
displeasure of McCartney. I found McCartney's lack of a
specific denial of his alleged interrogation of Largent to
leave unrebutted Largent's testimony that McCartney in-
terrogated him concerning the employees' need for a
union. I find that this interrogation was not designed to
2. That any and all statements, whether as alleged or otherwise,
made by agents of the employer, were within the free speech proviso
of the National Labor Relations Act.
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elicit information from Largent in the traditional sense
but rather was to persuade him and others to abandon
their support for the Union in the face of the impending
threat of the subcontracting out of the meat market oper-
ations and the loss of benefits or changes in working
conditions that could accompany this subcontracting out.
While it is undisputed that McCartney cited economic
factors as a reason for subcontracting, it is also clear that
he cited grievances as a reason for doing so. I further
reject Respondent's argument that no economic sanctions
were threatened as it was clear that Respondent dis-
cussed changes in pension benefits and working condi-
tions at these meetings which could prove adverse to
these employees. I do not find that Respondent's state-
ments with respect to vesting of the employees were suf-
ficient to assure them of no adverse impact as a result of
the subcontracting.
I also find that Respondent violated Section 8(a)(1) by
its threats to its employees in the Store No. I meat
market that the meat market operation would be leased
out "unless we could resolve our differences," that union
markets were "going down" and nonunion markets were
"doing better" and that the two meat markets in Oklaho-
ma City would not be leased out because "there had
been no trouble there." It is clear from the foregoing tes-
timony of Delk which I credit that McCartney was talk-
ing about grievances when he referred to differences and
to "trouble" and was encouraging the employees to
abandon their support for the Union in his references to
union and nonunion markets. I also credit Delk's state-
ment that McCartney stated that there had been a lot of
grievances filed. This testimony although given by Delk
only after her memory was refreshed by her affidavit
was consistent with Delk's testimony as set out above
with respect to resolving differences.
I reject as without merit the two affirmative defenses
asserted by Respondent.
I thus find that Respondent has failed to rebut the
prima facie case of violations of Section 8(a)(1) of the
Act and that Respondent did unlawfully threaten retalia-
tion against its employees at Stores No. 2 and No. I for
filing grievances 9 and did unlawfully interrogate Largent
in order to persuade him and the other employees to
abandon their support of the Union. '
I reject Respondent's contention that these violations
of the Act were de minimis as I find they were inherent-
ly coercive and violative of the employees' rights under
Section 7 of the Act.
III. THE EFFECT OF THE UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES
UPON COMMERCE
The unfair labor practices as found in section II above,
in connection with the business of Respondent as set
forth in section I, have a close, intimate, and substantial
relationship to trade, traffic, and commerce among the
several States and tend to lead to disputes obstructing
the free flow of commerce.
9 See Midwest Alloys, 261 NLRB 1054 (1982).
i0 See Gossen Co., 254 NLRB 339 (1981); Caterpillar Tractor Co., 257
NLRB 392 (1981).
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
I. Respondent McCartney, Incorporated is an employ-
er engaged in commerce within the meaning of Section
2(6) and (7) of the Act.
2. United Food and Commercial Workers Union,
Local 76, affiliated with United Food and Commercial
Workers International Union, AFL-CIO-CLC is a labor
organization within the meaning of Section 2(5) of the
Act.
3. By its interrogation of employee Sherman (Darrell)
Largent Jr., on February 12, 1983, as to why the em-
ployees needed a union, Respondent violated Section
8(a)(l) of the Act by coercively attempting to persuade
Largent and the other employees to abandon their sup-
port for the Union.
4. By its threats of retaliation on February 12, 1983,
that it would lease out the operations of its meat markets
in its two grocery stores in Tulsa, Oklahoma, because its
employees in these meat markets had filed grievances,
Respondent violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act.
5. The above unfair labor practices have an affect
upon commerce within the meaning of Section 2(6) and
(7) of the Act.
THE REMEDY
Having found that Respondent has committed viola-
tions of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act, it shall be ordered to
cease and desist therefrom and from any other unlawful
activity and to take certain affirmative action designed to
effectuate the policies of the Act, including the posting
of the appropriate notice.
On these findings of fact and conclusions of law and
on the entire record, I issue the following recommend-
ed1'
ORDER
The Respondent, McCartney
Incorporated,
Tulsa,
Oklahoma, its officers, agents, successors, and assigns,
shall
1. Cease and desist from
(a) Coercively interrogating its employees as to why
the employees need a union in order to persuade them to
abandon their support for the Union.
(b) Threatening its employees with retaliation by leas-
ing out its meat market operations in its stores in Tulsa,
Oklahoma, because
the
employees
filed
grievances
against the employer.
(c) Discouraging membership or support of United
Food and Commercial Workers Union, Local 76, affili-
ated with United Food and Commercial Workers Inter-
national Union, AFL-CIO-CLC by the above acts.
(d) In any like or related manner interfering with, re-
straining, or coercing employees in the exercise of the
rights guaranteed them by Section 7 of the Act.
i I If no exceptions are filed as provided by Sec. 102.46 of the Board's
Rules and Regulations, the findings, conclusions, and recommended
Order shall, as provided in Sec. 102.48 of the Rules, be adopted by the
Board and all objections to them shall be deemed waived for all pur-
poses.
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2. Take the following affirmative action designed to ef-
fectuate the purposes of the Act.
(a) Post at its place of business in Tulsa, Oklahoma,
copies of the attached notice marked "Appendix."' 2
Copies of the notice, on forms provided by the Regional
Director for Region 16, after being signed by Respond-
ent's authorized representative, shall be posted by Re-
spondent immediately upon receipt and maintained for 60
consecutive days in conspicuous places including all
places where notices to employees are customarily
posted in its two grocery stores in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Reasonable steps shall be taken by Respondent to ensure
that the notices are not altered, defaced, or covered by
any other material.
(b) Notify the Regional Director in writing within 20
days from the date of this Order what steps the Re-
spondent has taken to comply.
12 If this Order is enforced by a Judgment of a United States Court of
Appeals, the words in the notice reading "Posted by Order of the Na-
tional Labor Relations Board" shall read "Posted Pursuant to a Judgment
of the United States Court of Appeals Enforcing an Order of the Nation-
al Labor Relations Board."
APPENDIX
NOTICE To EMPLOYEES
POSTED BY ORDER OF THE
NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD
An Agency of the United States Government
To organize
To form, join, or assist any union
To bargain collectively through representa-
tives of their own choice
To act together for other mutual aid or protec-
tion
To choose not to engage in any of these pro-
tected concerted activities.
WE WILL NOT coercively interrogate employees con-
cerning their reasons for supporting a union in order to
persuade them to abandon their support for the Union.
WE WILL NOT threaten employees with retaliation by
threatening to lease out our meat markets in our two
grocery stores no. 1 and no. 2 in Tulsa, Oklahoma, be-
cause the employees in these meat markets filed griev-
ances.
WE WILL NOT in any other manner interfere with, re-
strain, or coerce our employees in the exercise of the
rights guaranteed them by Section 7 of the Act.
Our employees have the right to join and support
United Food and Commercial Workers Union, Local 76,
affiliated with United Food and Commercial Workers
International Union, AFL-CIO-CLC, or to refrain from
doing so.
MCCARTNEY, INCORPORATED
The National Labor Relations Board has found that we
violated the National Labor Relations Act and has or-
dered us to post and abide by this notice.
Section 7 of the Act gives employees these rights.
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