335 NLRB 783
David Allen Co.
DAVID ALLEN CO.
783
David Allen Company and International Union of
Bricklayers and Allied Craftsmen, Local 1 of
Maryland, Virginia and District of Columbia,
AFL–CIO. Case 5–CA–26464(E)
August 27, 2001
SUPPLEMENTAL DECISION AND ORDER
BY CHAIRMAN HURTGEN AND MEMBERS
LIEBMAN
AND TRUESDALE
On May 6, 1998, Administrative Law Judge Steven M.
Charno issued the attached supplemental decision. The
General Counsel filed exceptions and a supporting brief,
and the Applicant filed an answering brief.
The National Labor Relations Board has delegated its
authority in this proceeding to a three-member panel.
The Board has considered the supplemental decision
and the record in light of the exceptions and briefs and
has decided to affirm the judge’s rulings, findings, and
conclusions only to the extent consistent with this Deci-
sion and Order.
The complaint in the underlying proceeding alleged
that the Applicant, the Respondent below, violated Sec-
tion 8(a)(1) and (3) of the Act by failing to hire or con-
sider for hire employees who had engaged in concerted
protected activity. A hearing was held on November 3–
5, 1997, and at the close of the General Counsel’s case-
in-chief, the Applicant moved for a dismissal of the
complaint. The administrative law judge heard oral ar-
gument and issued a bench decision dismissing the com-
plaint. No party filed exceptions, and the Board adopted
the judge’s findings and recommendations, pro forma, in
an unpublished January 21, 1998 Order.
On February 11, 1998, the applicant applied to the
Board for an award of fees and expenses under the Equal
Access to Justice Act (EAJA) and Section 102.143 of the
Board’s Rules and Regulations. The judge granted the
Respondent’s request, finding that the General Counsel
was not substantially justified in issuing the complaint.
In doing so, the judge rejected the General Counsel’s
argument that resolution of the underlying decision
turned on several credibility issues. He also concluded
that the General Counsel’s position was not based on a
novel, but credible, interpretation of existing law. The
judge therefore recommended granting the application.
The General Counsel excepts to the judge’s supple-
mental decision. As explained below, we reverse and
find that the General Counsel was substantially justified
in issuing the complaint and proceeding to the hearing in
this case. Accordingly, we deny the application.
The judge’s findings of fact in the underlying case are
as follows: The Respondent is a Virginia corporation
engaged in the construction business installing tile for
customers located in the Washington, D.C., metropolitan
area. The Respondent was awarded a contract for the
ceramic and tile work installation on the Federal Triangle
Project in Washington, D.C. From approximately
March 12, to April 18, 1996, the Respondent subcon-
tracted most of the tile work on the project to Moore Ce-
ramic and Tile (Moore).
Peggy Moore was president and owner of Moore, and
her husband, Robert “Johnny” Moore (Johnny Moore),
was the secretary and treasurer. During the time that
Moore was a subcontractor for the Respondent, Johnny
Moore was also the Respondent’s field superintendent,
and he continued in that position after Moore’s removal
from the project. Leroy Kidwell, Danny Kilburn, and
Francis Larkin (the alleged discriminatees) were Moore
employees. During the time period that Moore was
working on the Federal Triangle Project, Kidwell, Kil-
burn, and Larkin filed a complaint with the U.S. Depart-
ment of Labor regarding Moore’s alleged failure to pay
them the prevailing wage rate. Peggy and Johnny Moore
knew of the wage complaint. On approximately April
18, 1996, the general contractor, after determining that
Moore was not in compliance with certain insurance re-
quirements, removed Moore from the project. Moore
subsequently laid off its employees, including Kidwell,
Kilburn, and Larkin.
The General Counsel’s precomplaint investigation re-
vealed conflicting accounts of the events occurring be-
tween April 18 and May 5, 1996. Kidwell, Kilburn, and
Larkin’s affidavits state that they repeatedly contacted
Johnny and Peggy Moore seeking employment and were
informed that no positions were available. These em-
ployee affidavits do not mention whether Johnny Moore
informed them about job opportunities with the Respon-
dent.
James Cecil Roberts, a former Moore employee who
did not participate in the wage complaint, stated in his
affidavit that he could not recall the exact date, but “it
was in April 1996” that Peggy Moore told him that no
work was available. However, “later that same evening,
[he] received a call from Peggy Moore who told [him]
that they had talked to [the Respondent] . . . that she
would be working for [the Respondent] . . . and that [he]
would be brought back to work employed by [the Re-
spondent] . . . Peggy told [him] that Francis, Danny, and
Leroy would not be coming back.” According to Rob-
erts, the Respondent hired another former Moore em-
ployee who did not participate in the wage complaint.
Roberts’ affidavit also stated that Johnny Moore told
Roberts “not to get involved” with the wage complaint
and that, if he did, the Respondent “would probably let
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[him] go.” When Roberts returned to Federal Triangle as
an employee for the Respondent, Johnny Moore told
Roberts that “Francis, Leroy and Danny were no good
because they turned their backs on the company.”
Johnny Moore, however, stated in his affidavit that on
April 26, 1996, he told Kidwell, Kilburn, and Larkin that
the Respondent was hiring and that they should apply.
Johnny Moore stated that Kidwell, Kilburn, and Larkin
indicated that they were not interested in working for the
Respondent. Likewise, in her affidavit, Peggy Moore
stated that she was present when Johnny Moore informed
Kidwell, Kilburn, and Larkin of the job opportunities
with the Respondent and that they did not appear inter-
ested. Further, Peggy Moore stated that Moore went out
of business on May 3, 1996, and that she returned to the
Federal Triangle Project as an employee for the Respon-
dent on or about May 9 or 10, 1996.
At hearing, Aristotle Koutris, the Respondent’s senior
project manager, testified that, after Moore was removed
from the Federal Triangle project, he told Johnny Moore
to hire the former Moore employees and to pass out ap-
plications to all of those employees. Johnny Moore testi-
fied that he told Kidwell, Kilburn, and Larkin about em-
ployment opportunities with the Respondent and gave
them job applications. However, Kidwell, Kilburn, and
Larkin testified that Johnny Moore never told them that
they could apply for a position with the Respondent.
In his recommendation granting the Respondent’s mo-
tion to dismiss, the judge first determined that Kidwell,
Kilburn, and Larkin engaged in protected activity, that
this activity caused Johnny Moore’s animus toward
them, that Johnny Moore was a supervisor for the Re-
spondent, and that his animus toward the alleged dis-
criminatees could be attributed to the Respondent. Nev-
ertheless, the judge found no evidence of an unlawful
refusal to hire or to consider for hire. Rather, the judge
determined the central issue to be whether it was an un-
fair labor practice for the Respondent to fail to solicit
applications from, or fail to hire, potential employees
against whom the Respondent bears animus, when those
employees did not apply for or express an interest in em-
ployment with the Respondent. The judge determined
that none of the alleged discriminatees applied for a job
with the Respondent, and that the Respondent’s failure to
solicit applications from or to hire Kilburn, Kidwell, and
Larkin did not constitute an unfair labor practice. Spe-
cifically, the judge found no evidence showing that the
Respondent discouraged the alleged discriminatees from
applying for employment. In making his recommenda-
tion, the judge discredited Roberts’ statements regarding
the issue of when Peggy Moore informed him of the job
opportunity with the Respondent and determined that
neither Peggy nor Johnny Moore was aware at any time
before May 5, 1996, of any employment opportunity
with Respondent.
In his supplemental decision, the judge rejected the
General Counsel’s contention that his decision turned on
resolution of credibility, stating that the basis of his deci-
sion was the lack of evidence showing that Kidwell, Kil-
burn, and Larkin had sought employment with the Re-
spondent. The judge also rejected the General Counsel’s
contention that his position was substantially justified
because it was based on a novel but credible interpreta-
tion of existing law.
We find, contrary to the judge, that the General Coun-
sel was substantially justified in issuing the complaint
and proceeding to hearing at which the judge could as-
sess the credibility of witnesses and weigh the evidence
in light of those findings. Under EAJA, a party who has
prevailed in litigation before a Federal government
agency is entitled to an award of attorney’s fees and ex-
penses incurred in litigation unless the government can
establish that its position was “substantially justified.”
Blaylock Electric, 319 NLRB 928, 929 (1995). The
United States Supreme Court, in Pierce v. Underwood,
487 U.S. 552 fn. 2 (1988), defined the phrase “substan-
tially justified” as meaning “justified to a degree that
could satisfy a reasonable person” or “justified if a rea-
sonable person could think it correct, that is, if it has a
reasonable basis in law and fact.” Further, the fact that
the Government did not prevail on the merits does not
give rise to a presumption that its position was unreason-
able, and the “substantially justified” standard does not
require the Government to establish that its decision to
litigate was based on substantial probability of prevail-
ing. Carmel Furniture Corp., 277 NLRB 1105, 1106
(1985). The Government’s position can still be deemed
reasonable in fact and law notwithstanding that the Gen-
eral Counsel failed to establish a prima facie case. Id.
However, where the General Counsel presents evidence
which, if credited by the factfinder, would constitute a
prima facie case of unlawful conduct, the General Coun-
sel’s position is deemed to be substantially justified
within the meaning of EAJA. SME Cement, Inc., 267
NLRB 763 fn. 1 (1983). Credibility issues which are not
subject to resolution by the General Counsel in the inves-
tigative stage of a proceeding on the basis of documents
or other objective evidence are, in the first instance, the
exclusive province of the administrative law judge. Ac-
cordingly, where the General Counsel is compelled by
the existence of a substantial credibility issue to pursue
the litigation, and thereafter presents evidence which, if
credited, would constitute a prima facie case, the General
Counsel’s case has a reasonable basis in law and fact and
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is substantially justified. Barrett’s Contemporary &
Scandinavian Interiors, 272 NLRB 527 (1984).
We disagree with the judge that the issue was whether
the Respondent’s failure to solicit applicants against
whom it had demonstrated animus constituted an unfair
labor practice when the employees had not applied for or
expressed an interest in employment with the Respon-
dent. Rather, the issue was framed by the evidence ad-
duced by the General Counsel during the investigation.
That evidence, if credited, showed that Respondent’s
agent, Johnny Moore, bore animus against the three al-
leged discriminatees because of their Section 7 activity.
That evidence, again, if credited, indicated that, because
of this animus, Moore discriminatorily failed to give
them applications when he gave applications to others.
Moreover, the investigation produced evidence that the
alleged discriminatees had contacted Johnny and Peggy
Moore seeking employment only days before the Re-
spondent began hiring hourly workers for the project.
The issue is whether this failure was unlawful, even
though it was contrary to instructions of the Respon-
dent’s higher officials who told Johnny Moore to give
applications to everyone. We find that the General
Counsel’s pursuit of a resolution of this issue had a rea-
sonable basis both in law and in fact.
In Service Operations Systems, 272 NLRB 1033
(1984), the Board held that an employer violates Section
8(a)(3) when that employer knows of potential employ-
ees who are interested in employment and, because of
antiunion animus, prevents those employees from apply-
ing for positions. In that case, a janitorial service bid for
and won a contract to clean a Federal office building. In
the past, when different contractors were awarded this
contract, those contractors had hired the employees of the
preceding contractor. When Service Operations Systems
was awarded the contract, its owner openly expressed his
dislike of the union that represented the preceding con-
tractor’s employees. When those employees sought em-
ployment applications from the new contractor, they
were informed (falsely) that no applications were avail-
able. The Board upheld the judge’s finding that the re-
spondent’s failure to provide incumbent employees the
opportunity to apply for employment was due to the re-
spondent’s animus against the union and that such con-
duct violated Section 8(a)(3) of the Act. Cf. M.P.C.
Plating, Inc. v. NLRB, 953 F.2d 1018 (6th Cir. 1992)
(holding that the General Counsel was not substantially
justified in issuing a complaint against an employer for
failing to hire temporary workers who never expressed
an interest in permanent employment).
We find that the General Counsel presented evidence
in the underlying proceeding that, if credited, would have
constituted a prima facie case that the Respondent vio-
lated Section 8(a)(3) by preventing the alleged discrimi-
natees from applying for employment. The General
Counsel’s precomplaint investigation revealed the fol-
lowing: Kidwell, Kilburn, and Larkin filed a wage com-
plaint against Moore, and Johnny and Peggy Moore
knew of that complaint. Following the demise of the
Moore enterprise, the Respondent hired at least two other
former Moore employees. However, the employees who
participated in the wage complaint were not hired. The
General Counsel argued that Johnny Moore acted as an
agent of the Respondent, and that, because of his animus
toward the three employees, he interfered with their
prospects for employment with the Respondent. Affida-
vits reflected discrepancies in testimony as to whether
Johnny Moore knew of the job opportunities at Respon-
dent during the time that the alleged discriminatees were
contacting the Moores seeking employment and whether
he refused to pass on that information to them. Thus, by
issuing this complaint, the General Counsel sought to
resolve a substantial credibility issue concerning the
Moores’ knowledge of job opportunities with the Re-
spondent and their alleged failure to inform Kidwell,
Kilburn, and Larkin of those opportunities.
Further, at the hearing, the General Counsel presented
evidence, which, if credited by the factfinder, would con-
stitute a prima facie case of unlawful conduct. As the
judge concluded, the evidence was sufficient to show
that the alleged discriminatees engaged in protected con-
certed activity, that Johnny Moore bore animus towards
them because of that activity, that Johnny Moore was a
supervisor of the Respondent, and that his animus could
be attributed to the Respondent. Testimony revealed that
Johnny Moore received instructions to hire all former
Moore employees, and Johnny Moore testified that he
provided all former employees with applications. Dis-
puting the latter claim, Kidwell, Kilburn, and Larkin tes-
tified that they never received applications. Further,
faced with conflicting accounts, the judge credited
Johnny and Peggy Moore’s testimony, finding that they
did not know of any job opportunities during the time
that the alleged discriminatees were seeking employ-
ment. There was no evidence showing that the Moores
actively discouraged the alleged discriminatees from
seeking employment with the Respondent. The judge
also discredited Roberts’ testimony that Peggy Moore
told him of the job opportunity with the Respondent in
April. However, had the judge credited the testimony of
the alleged discriminatees and Roberts, he could have
found that Johnny Moore knew of the positions with the
Respondent at the time that the alleged discriminatees
contacted the Moores seeking employment, that Johnny
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Moore never told them about those positions, and that, in
failing to do so, Johnny Moore prevented them from ap-
plying for those positions.
In view of the above, we find that the General Counsel
was substantially justified in issuing the complaint and
further find that the General Counsel initially presented
evidence, which if credited by the judge, would have
constituted a prima facie case of an 8(a)(3) violation.
Accordingly, we dismiss the application for attorney fees
and expenses.
Brenda Valentine Harris, Esq., for the General Counsel.
Jonathan W. Greenbaum, Esq. (Krupin, Greenbaum &
O’Brien, LLC) of Washington, D.C., for the Applicant.
SUPPLEMENTAL DECISION
STEVEN M. CHARNO, Administrative Law Judge. On
April 16, 1997, the General Counsel issued a complaint which
alleged that David Allen Company (Allen) had violated Section
8(a)(1) and (3) of the National Labor Relations Act by failing
and refusing to rehire employees who had engaged in concerted
activities for the purpose of mutual aid and protection. Allen
denied the commission of any unfair labor practice, and a hear-
ing was held before me in Washington, D.C., on November 3–
5, 1997. At the close of the General Counsel’s case-in-chief, I
heard oral argument and gave a bench decision in favor of Al-
len. A Decision and Certification adopting the bench decision
was issued November 26, 1997. No exceptions were filed, and
the Board adopted my findings by Order of January 21, 1998.
On February 11, 1998, Allen filed an application for attor-
neys’ fees and expenses (Application) pursuant to the Equal
Access to Justice Act (EAJA), 5 U.S.C. § 504 et seq. (EAJA),
and the Board’s Rules and Regulations, 29 C.F.R. § 102.143 et
seq.1 The Application was referred to me for disposition by the
Executive Secretary’s Order dated February 12, 1998. The
General Counsel’s answer of March 17, 1998, urged that the
Application be denied because the government’s position in the
unfair labor practice proceeding was substantially justified.
Allen filed an April 7, 1998 reply to General Counsel’s answer.
FINDINGS OF FACT
I. PROPRIETY OF AN AWARD
Section 504(a)(1) of EAJA provides that an award of reason-
able attorneys’ fees may be made to a party prevailing against
the Government unless “the position of the agency . . . was
substantially justified.” The term “substantially justified” has
been defined as “justified to a degree that could satisfy a rea-
sonable person” or as having a “reasonable basis both in law
and fact.” Pierce v. Underwood, 487 U.S. 552, 565 (1988).
The Board has long held that credibility issues, which cannot be
resolved after a thorough investigation by the Board’s General
1 Allen’s unopposed motion to withhold confidential information
from public disclosure convincingly argues that disclosure of its finan-
cial information would have an adverse impact on its competitive abil-
ity without significantly serving the public interest. Upon considera-
tion, the motion is granted.
Counsel, must be decided at a hearing before an administrative
law judge. E.g., Alpha-Omega Electric, Inc., 312 NLRB 292,
293 (1993). Where litigation is necessitated by the existence of
a substantial credibility issue and the General Counsel presents
a prima facie case at the hearing, his position is deemed to have
a reasonable basis in fact and law and to be substantially justi-
fied. Barrett’s Contemporary & Scandinavian Interiors, 272
NLRB 527, 528 (1984); SME Cement, Inc., 267 NLRB 763
(1983).
Allen, a Virginia building contractor, was awarded a contract
for tile work at the Federal Triangle Project in Washington,
D.C. and, on or about March 12, 1996, subcontracted that work
to Moore Ceramic and Tile (Moore), a firm founded by Johnny
Moore and run by his wife Peggy Moore. Allen and Moore
were not alter egos or joint employers. Moore employees
Kidwell, Kilburn, and Larkin, during the course of their em-
ployment with Moore, concertedly filed wage-and-hour com-
plaints against their employer, a fact known contemporaneously
to both Johnny and Peggy Moore. On or about April 18, 1996,
the general contractor at the Federal Triangle Project removed
Moore from the project, and the latter laid off all of its employ-
ees. Between April 19 and May 5, 1996, Kidwell, Kilburn, and
Larkin repeatedly contacted Johnny and Peggy Moore concern-
ing reemployment by Moore and were told that no positions
were available. On May 10, 1996, Allen began hiring addi-
tional employees, including Peggy Moore, to finish the tile
work at the Federal Triangle Project. Johnny Moore was an
admitted supervisor for Allen on that project and made hiring
recommendations. There is no evidence that either Johnny or
Peggy Moore knew, on or before May 5, that Allen would fin-
ish the job itself. After being employed by Allen and acting as
its agent, Peggy Moore contacted at least one of her former
employees and suggested that he apply to Allen for work at the
Federal Triangle Project, but she did not make a similar sugges-
tion to Kidwell, Kilburn, or Larkin. Neither Kidwell, Kilburn,
nor Larkin ever inquired about or applied for employment with
Allen on the Federal Triangle Project. All of the foregoing
facts were drawn from completely uncontroverted evidence.2
The principal issue presented by the complaint in this case
was whether Allen “failed and refused to hire or consider for
hire” Kidwell, Kilburn, or Larkin as a result of their alleged
concerted protected activities during their employ by Moore. I
concluded that (1) the three alleged discriminatees had engaged
in concerted protected activities while employed by Moore, (2)
the demonstrated animus of Johnny Moore toward those activi-
ties could be attributed to Allen, the employer for which he was
a supervisor, (3) the three alleged discriminatees never sought
employment with and were never denied employment by Allen
and (4) General Counsel was unable to supply any legal author-
ity for the he proposition that an employer is required to solicit
2 The General Counsel contests the fact that Peggy Moore was hired
by Allen on May 10. Contrary to the General Counsel’s argument in
this proceeding, the finding to that effect did not involve the resolution
of a credibility conflict; indeed, all testimony on the question supported
the finding. The General Counsel’s argument appears to be based on a
speculation that Moore’s employment application was originally dated
prior to May 10—a speculation which is totally without evidentiary
support.
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job applications from potential employees against whom it
bears demonstrated animus. Based on the foregoing conclu-
sions, I issued a bench decision in Allen’s favor at the close of
the General Counsel’s case-in-chief.
In opposing the instant application, counsel for the General
Counsel contends that my decision turned on several credibility
resolutions. Specifically, she argues that she would have pre-
vailed if I had credited Cecil Roberts’ testimony going to the
question of whether Allen bore animus toward the protected
activities of the alleged discriminatees. Because I determined
that Allen possessed the animus in question, my findings con-
cerning Roberts’ credibility were without decisional signifi-
cance.3 Second, counsel for the General Counsel argues that,
had I credited Roberts’ somewhat imprecise testimony that
Peggy Moore’s conversation with him about a future job with
Allen took place on May 6, the outcome of the case would have
changed. In fact, Peggy Moore could have been ignorant of
Allen’s hiring plans on May 5 and first became aware of them
on May 6; indeed, it is not unlikely that she would have made
the call to Roberts immediately after learning of Allen’s plans.
Accordingly, the testimony in question is also immaterial to my
decision. Third, counsel for the General Counsel contends that,
had I found that Peggy Moore was one of Allen’s supervisors,4
I would have decided the hiring issue against Allen. Given that
Peggy Moore’s supervisory status goes to the same question of
animus discussed above, together with the fact that my decision
was based on the alleged discriminatees’ uncontested failure to
seek employment with Allen, I reject this contention.5
Finally, the answer to the application contends that the Gen-
eral Counsel’s position was substantially justified because that
position was based on a novel interpretation of existing law,6
i.e., the argument that employers are required to solicit job
applications from potential employees against whom those
employers bear demonstrated animus. The day before oral ar-
gument was heard in the underlying case, I put counsel for the
General Counsel on notice that I wished to be apprised of any
and all authority which might support such an interpretation of
existing law. No such authority was provided during oral ar-
gument and, in response to my iterated request, counsel for the
General Counsel stated that she was “not aware of any case
authority.” I therefore find that the General Counsel did not
institute or try this case in order to advance a novel interpreta-
tion of existing law. Accordingly, I find the legal theory articu-
3 The one finding with respect to Roberts’ credibility which could
have had an impact on the ultimate decision was my crediting his testi-
mony that Peggy Moore had told him of the job with Allen.
4 This was actually a question of the probative value of evidence,
rather than the credibility of witnesses.
5 General Counsel also argues that the identity of the individuals
who made Allen’s hiring decisions, a question which arose for the first
time after the hearing began, had some bearing on the outcome of the
case. In fact, the matter was wholly irrelevant to my decision.
6 See Teamsters Local 741 (A.B.F. Freight), 321 NLRB 886 (1996).
lated in the answer to be nothing more than a post hoc ration-
alization without demonstrated motivational significance. For
the foregoing reasons, I find that the General Counsel has not
demonstrated that (1) its case had a reasonable basis in fact and
law, and (2) its position in the unfair labor practice litigation
was substantially justified. Accordingly, I conclude that Allen
is entitled to appropriate fees and expenses.
II. AMOUNT OF AWARD
A. Fees in Excess of $125 an Hour
Allen has claimed fees for attorneys and legal assistants
based on hourly rates ranging from $80 to $240. Fees in excess
of $125 an hour may be awarded only when an agency has so
provided by rule or regulation. 5 U.S.C. § 504(b)(1)(A). Inas-
much as the Board has never adopted such a rule or regulation,
the fees which comprise a portion of this award will be limited
to $125 an hour.
B. Reasonableness of Fees Claimed in Application
Allen’s application seeks $16,496 in fees and expenses of
$1,157.35.7 Although the General Counsel does not challenge
the reasonableness of any of these fees or expenses, I find the
inclusion of time spent to prepare an unfair labor practice
charge against the charging party to be beyond the proper scope
of the Application and shall exclude it.
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
1. On April 16, 1997, the date on which the original com-
plaint in the underlying unfair labor practice proceeding was
issued, Allen was a corporation with fewer than 500 employees
and a net worth of less than $7 million.
2. Allen prevailed in a significant and discrete substantive
portion of the underlying unfair labor practice proceeding,
which was an adversary adjudication.
3. The General Counsel’s position in a significant and dis-
crete substantive portion of the underlying unfair labor practice
proceeding was not shown to be substantially justified.
4. Allen is entitled to attorneys’ fees in the amount of $9550
and expenses in the amount of $1,157.35.
[Recommended Order omitted from publication.]
7 Exh. 2 to the Application states that Allen “shall supplement these
fees to encompass fees expended to submit and finalize this EAJA
Application, once those fees are calculated on our system.” I did not
receive such a supplement prior to issuing this Supplemental Decision.